I think the reason why the breeder says 9 months, is because she wants to prevent any accidental breedings.

My breeder, it was wait until AFTER 1 year (I waited until he was 18 months). If he is just a family pet, there is no need for those papers, but it is just nice to know that your dog is registered and can be traced through the pedigree.

Maybe if you contact your breeder and tell her your concerns, and how you will prevent any accidental breedings, she may be willing to change her mind and give you the papars once there is proof of neuter.

 

Gilmours contract states he must NOT be neutered before 18 months or his health guarantee is void.

I would call the breeder and see if you can work something out. It is pretty good knowledge these days that later is better for the health of the dog. The breeder should know this.

 

Unfortunately I contacted the breeder and made what I thought was a logical, sound case for why we are waiting, including our intent to never breed him and what we are doing to ensure he isn't bred prior to his neutering. The response was no, the contract stands.

I guess that's why I'm wondering if it's a money thing? Maybe if we offer to pay for the AKC registration she'll change her mind??? I read another posting on the forum of someone asking if the contract stands but they weren't actually in the situation of having the signed contract.

Now that I have a signed contract, I need to know what the benefit of the AKC registration is. It sounds like maybe we could go to the AKC directly to see the validity of the contract?

 

This is the link to the AKC website, section "Why Register Your Dog?" I certainly won't speak for everyone on the GRF, but for those of us who participate in AKC dog sports, it's a requirement. For those who aren't into dog sports, many still like the advantages of AKC registration to maintain the records of their dog's bloodline and heritage.

I don't know if $$$$ is the issue or not with your breeder, as it is the usual custom for the owner of the dog, and not the breeder, to pay for individual registration. There is a litter registration that the breeder pays for (to register the entire litter with the AKC) but that is not something the owner pays for--that is the breeder. You would be concerned with individual registration, I would think.

Anyway, link to AKC website is below:

https://www.akc.org/public_education/regpromo.cfm

 

Thanks rappwizard - makes sense that we would be paying for the individual registration, they just supply the papers so we can register. That's what I had thought, which is why I just cannot understand the stance on having the neuter done by 9mths.

 

Just to play devils advocate, if I were a breeder and I put 9 months in my contract and someone wanted to extend that date I would definitely be suspicious. It sounds like you are really planning to neuter him and have good reasons for waiting, so if I were you I would offer to sign a new contract that invalidates the previous agreement and says you will neuter him by 12 months...that way she's assured that you will actually do it, not just verbally saying you will do it. I would also offer to include some other benefit to her....i.e. she can take the dog back if he's not neutered by 14 months and/or if it is discovered he has been bred - maybe it doesn't nee to be that drastic, but just to show you are completely serious.

Unless the AKC has some dispute resolution service, which they may-I have no idea, I don't really see what the AKC would have to say about a contract between you and the breeder.... maybe the BBB?

 

The AKC has historically allowed a breeder to withhold AKC papers until proof of neutering is provided, as long as both the breeder and the purchaser have agreed to this.

I like the idea of offering to sign a new contract, perhaps that will put the breeder's mind at ease about your intentions.

 

I really like the idea to offer to sign a new contract!!! Great suggestion.

I actually jsut called the AKC, and basically all I can do is provide a letter of my intentions/reasons for holding off for an extra 3 mths along with a copy of the contract and a case manager will take a look at it.

 

Maybe you can make an arrangement (a new contract) with the breeder that you get the paperwork after you supply proof of neutering. If the breeder is concerned that you will breed the dog if she sends you the paperwork to register your dog, this should allay that fear and I believe that you can register at 18 months for an additional fee (can anyone verify this?).

 

Ok just a dumb question.

When we bought Quinn we were given "limited" papers. We will not get the full papers until she has reached the age of 2, and has proper documentation that we have done "clearances". Now we have no intention of breeding Quinn and will be spaying her. Can't goldens get limited papers? I assumed it was an AKC thing not breed thing.

Our contract is null and void if we breed her before meeting their requirements.

We will only have limited papers on Quinn and we are perfectly ok with that.

Ann

 

Ok just a dumb question.

When we bought Quinn we were given "limited" papers. We will not get the full papers until she has reached the age of 2, and has proper documentation that we have done "clearances". Now we have no intention of breeding Quinn and will be spaying her. Can't goldens get limited papers? I assumed it was an AKC thing not breed thing.

Our contract is null and void if we breed her before meeting their requirements.

We will only have limited papers on Quinn and we are perfectly ok with that.

Ann

Both of our boys have limited registration because our breeder doesn't want any of her puppies being bred. All that limited registration means is that your dog's offspring will not be able to be AKC registered.

 

I would see if you can get the breeder to write a new contract. See if you can arrange a time to sit down with them and go over all of the research you have done regarding waiting until a later age to neuter and the health benefits of waiting. Maybe you could even print off some articles from the internet that talk about the benefits of later neutering. Hopefully, they will see that you are genuinely concerned about your dog's health and have no intentions to breed whatsoever. Our breeder actually prefers that people wait to neuter until at least 18 months. Both of our boys are AKC registered because we are planning on getting into agility and most events require an AKC registration to enter, plus I like to be able to see Tucker's and Tyson's pedigrees. There are a lot of benefits of registering your dog. We actually just got Tyson's AKC certificate in the mail today and it came with a ton of paperwork with different programs that the AKC offers.

 

Just a quick follow up - the suggestion for signing an updated contract worked! The breeder has agreed with this approach, so now we are able to wait until he is a year old.

Thanks again for the great suggestion!!

 

Just a quick follow up - the suggestion for signing an updated contract worked! The breeder has agreed with this approach, so now we are able to wait until he is a year old.

Thanks again for the great suggestion!!

You're welcome! Glad it worked out.