[Prism Goldens]

Em's Goldens Bindi- her clearances are fine.
Planned breeding to Kingsley who is nowhere near old enough to use in a breeding program.
Payton Mae's eyes are out of date by several months- seeing as she was being bred, if breeder was taking Bindi in for eyes, I don't understand why she didn't take Payton Mae too.
Fill (sire) does not have a single verifiable clearance. Some are listed on his k9data page but none of them are verifiable.

Lakeshore- Willow did not pass elbows so her litter, for me, would be absolutely not. And while it says big and bold on the front page that they conform to the Code of Ethics, this bitch is being bred with no elbow number.
Elsa's eyes are years out of date.
Bea's eyes are also years out of date.

 

[Maggie'sVoice]

Some may use English but i think most will use European. There are some reputable breeders that breed the very light colored goldens but they don't advertise then as cream or by color they are just English or European.

 

[Patp05]

Em's Goldens Bindi- her clearances are fine.
Planned breeding to Kingsley who is nowhere near old enough to use in a breeding program.
Payton Mae's eyes are out of date by several months- seeing as she was being bred, if breeder was taking Bindi in for eyes, I don't understand why she didn't take Payton Mae too.
Fill (sire) does not have a single verifiable clearance. Some are listed on his k9data page but none of them are verifiable.

Lakeshore- Willow did not pass elbows so her litter, for me, would be absolutely not. And while it says big and bold on the front page that they conform to the Code of Ethics, this bitch is being bred with no elbow number.
Elsa's eyes are years out of date.
Bea's eyes are also years out of date.

So you wouldn’t recommend Lakeshore either? I’ve put Ems behind me as I did quick research and asked her directly how old he was (13 mo) and that’s too young as you’ve said. This is because they haven’t had time for tests to clear right they can change.

 

[Prism Goldens]

24 months of age is the youngest you can consider hips and elbows as final.
Lakeshore- depends on who the stud dog is, and whether she has current eyes done on Elsa or Bea . I would not even consider Willow regardless of the story that goes along w her rationalizing breeding a bitch w no elbow clearance.

 

[Patp05]

24 months of age is the youngest you can consider hips and elbows as final.
Lakeshore- depends on who the stud dog is, and whether she has current eyes done on Elsa or Bea . I would not even consider Willow regardless of the story that goes along w her rationalizing breeding a bitch w no elbow clearance.

So besides Eyes you think everything else looks good on Elsa and Bea? Dad would be Ben most likely

 

[Patp05]

So besides Eyes you think everything else looks good on Elsa and Bea? Dad would be Ben most likely

So besides Eyes you think everything else looks good on Elsa and Bea? Dad would be Ben most likely

i see Bens tests are in Germany. Is that ok? Doesn’t seem like it

 

[Prism Goldens]

It appears he had a normal echo in Germany- but I do not find a chip number or any permanent ID on that clearance. Heart clearances are not done in Europe like they are here which explains probably why there are no depth of clearances behind him for cardiac.

 

[CAROLINA MOM]

Here is an EC Breeder's list you can look through-

Ethical "English Creme" breeders

In the last 24 hours I've been contacted by four different people looking for English Creme/European/white/light Goldens. I referred them to a couple friends who breed light dogs. But I'd like to create a list of ethical breeders all over the country who breed light dogs, or European dogs. You...

www.goldenretrieverforum.com

 

[Patp05]

There are a few good breeders but for what I was looking for I drive from Maryland it to Kalamazoo Michigan for my breeder/pup. So it will also send on what you're looking for in you puppy. Show/confirmation lines or field lines. High, low energy dogs, high drive or couch potato or even somewhere in the middle. A lot of things will determine what breeder you will go with. Not just reputable.

These are very good points. I am by no means lazy but I also don’t think I need a field lineage/pedigree. Is actually like to be more towards the laid back side. I live right next to greenway walk/ride/run it often and will now with the pup so I wouldn’t want a pup that wouldn’t be up for it either. What do you recommend in your experience? I’ve found a repairable breeder that only places dogs based on temperament/ personality. Which I really like. I’ve had 3 Golden’s and while all of them were awesome (everyone things their dogs are awesome) they definitely had different energy, personalities and intelligence oor information retention levels.

 

[Maggie'sVoice]

These are very good points. I am by no means lazy but I also don’t think I need a field lineage/pedigree. Is actually like to be more towards the laid back side. I live right next to greenway walk/ride/run it often and will now with the pup so I wouldn’t want a pup that wouldn’t be up for it either. What do you recommend in your experience? I’ve found a repairable breeder that only places dogs based on temperament/ personality. Which I really like. I’ve had 3 Golden’s and while all of them were awesome (everyone things their dogs are awesome) they definitely had different energy, personalities and intelligence oor information retention levels.

If you found a reputable breeder that can price a puppy that for your lifestyle then by all means look more into that breeder. Just be honest with what you're looking for with the breeder

 

[watterdog]

Here is my OPINION.... and in the past, my opinion has be lambasted by others in this forum. But my experience has been.....

Out of the 7 Golden Retrievers we have had in the past 36 years, 4 were "American" Goldens, and 3 have been "European". Some people say the European/English and American Goldens are the same breed, believing the Europeans are only a "selling scam". Well, same breed or not (and I truly don't know), I have found the following differences.

In my experience, all 3 of the Europeans (2 males, 1 female) were much calmer as puppies, and smaller/stockier in size. Also, their coats have not have had the super thick under-coat. I can easily groom my European Goldens at home, where as our American Goldens had to go to a professional groomer because their coats were so thick. In additional to this, coincidence or not, all of my American Goldens battled cancer in some way or another; the Europeans have not.

BOTH are loving, wonderful dogs. BOTH shed a ton, Currently we have 6 Dyson vacuums for our 2 dogs.

Now, as for Doodles, they are not "my thing". But, I have many friends who have allergies and got them, and love them. They say they are wonderful, easy to train and fun. Also, they shed minimally. Many people on this forum think that "doodles" are a travesty, but.... if a person chooses to get one, gives it a good home, loves and enjoys them, who am I to argue?

 

[puddles everywhere]

Watterdog the travesty is overcharging for a mix breed dog with none of the health clearance needed for either breed. Groomers opinions are they are a ton of work to keep them cut back. The city pounds in almost every city has plenty to sell for a few hundreds, why spend thousands?

 

[BlazenGR]

In additional to this, coincidence or not, all of my American Goldens battled cancer in some way or another; the Europeans have not.

Now, as for Doodles, they are not "my thing". But, I have many friends who have allergies and got them, and love them. They say they are wonderful, easy to train and fun. Also, they shed minimally. Many people on this forum think that "doodles" are a travesty, but.... if a person chooses to get one, gives it a good home, loves and enjoys them, who am I to argue?

It was a coincidence that you haven't had cancer in your "European" bred dogs. The first dog to die in the Golden Retriever Life Study was a European bred dog, and he was well under 2 years. The "data" that supports the claim of European dogs having less cancer, from both sides, are respondent driven surveys that are not research based. In other words, the data is driven based on the owners that fill out and submit information about each of their dogs based on retrospective information that may or may not be factual correct.

Your experiences with doodles may also be "not the norm." Most groomers love or hate them. Hate them when they show up for their yearly appointment matted to the skin and the own swears they brush them every day. Love them when the owners keep their every 4-6 week appointment for full bathing, brush out, and trimming. Trainers most hate them because they don't see the "good" ones, they see the ones that have temperament issues or can't seem to learn anything. I know of one in my area that does agility. She does great, but is an absolute ditz.

 

[watterdog]

Like I said..... my opinion.