Well first of all, if you get a pup and it dies.... they'll give you another one. So if the first puppy is a disaster you can get another disaster, or a discount towards another disaster. Yeesh.

Genetics is pretty wishy/washy. Poor genetics may mean the dog has no immune system, so it could die of distemper, but distemper isn't genetic. HA HA on the buyer I guess....

Oh and it seems you will live at the vet for the first few months between checkups and fecals and have to proove it all - how much is that going to cost, and they're again vaugue to me on how many times you need to get all of that done..

And in the last bit, it says you have to feed a specific food and vitamins that I'm guessing they also sell. Money grab!

ETA: Looking at the rest of the website, it seems to be an online puppy mill setup. Yuck!

I had the same issue a while ago so I feel your pain. Was trying to educate someone on getting a reg'd yorkie WITH clearances..... next to impossible to find a breeder who did that! I may fire an email at their breed club or something to tell them to clean up their act... there's a ton of yorkie breeders on kijiji and it's hard to reason with someone as to getting a well bred one when those breeders don't do clearances either!

 

I am not defending byb'ers but I have seen something come up on this board often regarding clearances...

Clearances vary for each breed.... I had a long talk to my wolfhound breeder about clearances and many of them don't do hip clearances... I was shocked but my breeder comes from goldens as well and she is very involved in the national club and local clubs and what she said makes sense... Wolfhounds dont generally have a problem with hips... they are way down the list of affected dogs in the stats section of OFA and the fact that Wolfhounds are so sensitive to anesthesia wiht so many of them dying under anesthesia and being so large that many breeders will do hips ONLY if the dog is under for something else....which means that many dogs are bred without hip clearances I talked to another Wolfhound breeder, also a vet who expressed the same thing... its just not what I am used to coming from goldens and flat coats.

My point is that I don't know what clearances would be required for a Chinese Crested or Yorkie... You can probably find this out from the national breed clubs and I would guess Patella luxation is one that is needed... but every breed is different they honestly may not need hip clearances or heart clearances but might have issues that they do need clearances for.

For example
in Flat Coats we need
Hips
patellas
eyes and gonioscopy

In Goldens
Hips
Elbows
Heart
eyes (not including gonioscopy)

In Wolfhounds
Hips (if and when possible but not required)
liver shunt (puppies are tested but can't clear the parents)
eyes

I hope this makes sense
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You hit it right on the money! I find myself being pulled to a byb now because of that vey reason. Why would I pay and extra 300$ for puppy with CH lines when my Yorki from a byb is just as healthy and basically the same with a health guarantee thats just as good. I'm starting to see why ppl go to byb because they seem in my search to be the same! I only know they aren't because of all my research but jeese!

I didn't ask fo hips in the yorkies I asked for eyes and patellas which is what they suffer from. Still nothing it's relaly despressing

 

I didn't ask fo hips in the yorkies I asked for eyes and patellas which is what they suffer from. Still nothing it's relaly despressing

In the smaller dogs, HD is not as much a problem and who knows about the eyes, but they might have other problems that we don't worry about in the golden world.

I suggest going to the national breed association and see what their members code of ethics is, and use that when finding a breeder.

I had my daughter researching pomeranians and had her look for clearances. We found one of the top breeders in the US, but no clearances. ( At least I was able to use that excuse to say no to my daughter ). I think the golden world is just advanced in their ethics, research and breeding than most breeds.

 

Amazing but I got this Blog entry from Dr Nancy Kay DVM about Puppy Mills. Food for thought... I went into a pet store just once and I was lucky I wasn't arrested, because of what I observed in those poor dogs. I haven't been able to bring myself into a pet store since!


http://www.speakingforspot.com/UploadMails/Spot_Speaks_-_Dog_Auctions1_12_2011_90122_PM.htm

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Dog Auctions- by Nancy Kay, DVM ©

I wish I were a fiction writer and the details within this blog were simply a product of my imagination. Unfortunately dog auctions are a painful and despicable fact of life. As much as I dislike crafting blogs that are “downers” I’ve recognized the importance of educating as many people as I can about animal-related issues that undermine our humanity. Dog auctions certainly fit the bill.

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In case you are unfamiliar with dog auctions let me fill you in. Envision rooms filled floor to ceiling with crates and cages each housing dogs whose sole purpose in life is to make puppies. Every dog in the room is identified by the number on the auction tag hanging round his or her neck. There are purebreds of multiple varieties although some might not be recognizable as such given their lack of health care and horrifically overgrown hair coats. And, of course, there are plenty of “designer hybrids” the mutts that are purposefully planned because they are “all the rage” and their litters will garner thousands of dollars. One would think these rooms filled with dogs would be chaotic and noisy. In fact the quiet is eerie; these are dogs with broken spirits- too scared to vocally protest and too disassociated from their miserable existences to invite attention from the humans peering into their cages.

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Six auctions are held every year in Farmerstown, Ohio. In fact the next one is later this week on January 15th. If you happen to live near Farmerstown, I encourage you to attend. You will be surrounded by puppy mill proprietors who have come to socialize, discuss their trade, and buy and sell “livestock”. There will also be some representatives from breed rescue organizations, hoping to place some winning bids that will alter the dismal fate of as many dogs as is affordable. Don’t take a camera with you- it will be confiscated. You see, these are rather covert affairs- journalists and photographers are not allowed. The photographic images accompanying this blog were obtained via an undercover operation. At the upcoming Ohio auction 463 dogs are slated to be auctioned. The dogs bringing the highest prices will be those with proven fertility records; already pregnant bitches are highly valued. Details about each dog’s breeding behavior and previous litter sizes are provided, but information about basic temperament or breed-specific inherited diseases within the family tree will be unavailable.
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If you attend an auction in Ohio, be sure to look for and meet Mary O’Connor-Shaver. You will find her at the peaceful protest that is a visible presence on each and every auction day. In my mind Mary is a hero, working tirelessly to convince Ohio legislators to ban dog auctions from her state. I hope you will visit her website www.BanOhioDogAuctions.com. Mary has been a huge source of information and inspiration for me. ​

What can you do to help eradicate dog auctions and put an end to puppy mills? Here are some suggestions:
1. Boycott puppy mills. This means never ever purchasing a puppy from a pet store or from an on line source (site and sight unseen). Visit your local shelter (a surprising number of purebred dogs wind up there) and contact local breed-specific rescue organizations. If you decide to purchase a puppy from a breeder please take the time to read my article titled “A Dozen Simple Ways To Be Certain You Are Working With a Reputable Breeder” (http://speakingforspot.com/blog/?p=749).
2. If you live in a state that sanctions dog auctions (Ohio, Kansas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Arkansas, Iowa, Wisconsin, Missouri) write your legislators and appeal to them to stop this madness. And if there are efforts within your state to create legislation banning dog auctions, please pitch in. This might involve organizing rallies, writing letters, and gathering signatures of support.
3. If you don’t reside in a state that sanctions dog auctions, write letters to the governors and legislators of the eight states that do. Let them know you will no longer support their state in terms of travel and commerce until their dog auctions cease to exist.
4. Let your veterinarian know how you feel about dog auctions and puppy mills, and encourage him or her to take a public stance against them. Goodness knows, they see first hand the horrific health issues and accompanying heartbreak produced by puppy mills.
5. If you are a teacher, educate your students about puppy mills and dog auctions. Teach them about responsible ways to adopt a dog. I firmly believe that educating children about these issues is the key success.
6. Please share this blog with anyone and everyone you know who loves a dog, and encourage them to take action.
My youngest child attends college in Athens, Ohio. During a recent Parents Weekend visit my husband, daughter and I checked out Petland, the pet store in Athens. We found no fewer than three dozen utterly adorable purebred and designer hybrid puppies- undoubtedly puppy mill progeny. There were plenty of customers in the store that day interacting with the pups and contemplating adoption. I chatted with the store manager about the Boxer pup on display and asked to see the paperwork documenting if Boxer cardiomyopathy existed in the pup’s family tree. Boxer cardiomyopathy is an inherited heart condition that prematurely ends the lives of afflicted dogs. She responded by saying, “No, we don’t have that paperwork but no problem because Petland guarantees full refunds on any dogs that develop symptoms caused by an inherited disease.” No problem for Petland that is……..
What are you willing to do to help stop this madness?
If you would like to respond publicly, please visit http://www.speakingforspot.com/blog/?p=1941http://www.speakingforspot.com/blog/?p=2009. Best wishes,
Dr. Nancy Kay
Diplomate, American College of Veterinary Internal Medicine
Author of Speaking for Spot: Be the Advocate Your Dog Needs to Live a Happy, Healthy, Longer Life
Recipient, American Animal Hospital Association 2009 Animal Welfare and Humane Ethics Award
Recipient, 2009 Dog Writers Association of America Award for Best Blog
Recipient, 2009 Eukanuba Canine Health Award
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I have yorkies and am a member of a yorkie forum like this. Both of my yorkies came from a show breeder that does do liver shunt testing and a couple other tests but I had never in 2 years heard clearances on that forum. They just call it testing and its totally different tests. That could be why they didn't know. I had to research on here to find out what everyone was talking about. Lol

 

Amazing but I got this Blog entry from Dr Nancy Kay DVM about Puppy Mills. Food for thought... I went into a pet store just once and I was lucky I wasn't arrested, because of what I observed in those poor dogs. I haven't been able to bring myself into a pet store since!

is there a reason you posted that twice in the same thread????

 

From the CHIC website:

Yorkies -
Eye Clearance

• CERF - Prior to the onset of breeding, recommend evaluations at 1, 3, and 6 Years of Age.

Patellar Luxation

• OFA evaluation

Legg-Calve-Perthes (Optional)

• OFA evaluation

Autoimmune thyroiditis (Optional)

• OFA evaluation from an approved laboratory - Recommend testing at ages 1, 3, and 6 Years of Age.

Cornell DNA Bank (Optional)

• Participation in the Cornell DNA Bank (Blood Sample Required)

Hip Dysplasia (Optional)

• OFA evaluation

Chinese Crested -
Eye Clearance

• CERF - Yearly Exams Recommended

Patellar Luxation

• OFA evaluation, minimum age 1 year

Congenital Cardiac Database

• OFA evaluation

Primary Lens Luxation (Optional)

• PRIMARY LENS LUXATION OFA/University of Missouri DNA Test: OFA Online Store.

Progressive Retinal Atrophy (PRA) DNA Test (Optional)

• OFA evaluation from an approved laboratory

Congenital Deafness (Optional)

• OFA evaluation based on BAER test

Hip Dysplasia/Legg-Calve-Perthes (Optional)

• OFA evaluation - Since both HD and LCP evaluations are based on the standard VD radiographic view, dogs that receive a HD clearance are automatically eligible to receive a LCP clearance as well. The application to also generate a LCP number can be downloaded from the Applications section of the OFA website.

Now, finding a yorkie breeder who posts health testing, or any info on their websites, good luck! Even the breed club for Canada does not say boo about health testing, what to ask a breeder about it, or anything related to testing. Shameful!

Chinese crested seem to be better, their breed club website has information on health testing and the breeders I looked at quickly all have health testing on their websites as far as results and so on. Get a crested!

 

If its a good breeder, most will post the testing they do, but unfortunately there isn't a place to check like the clearances. I love that about the goldens. It is extremely hard in my opinion to find a good yorkie breeder. I went out of state for mine just because people around me breed for money, not quality. I learned a lot through the yorkie forum but still had to do a lot of digging.

 

If a Yorkie or Chinese Crested breeder were doing testing for "CHIC" clearances, you would find it on OFA like the Goldens. I'm a veterinarian and I don't think I've ever seen clearances on those breeds. We definitely diagnose Legg Perthes in Yorkies (and Poms and occasional Poodles), but they are family pets when we do.

 

Yorkies are number 3 for patella issues (24.3% tested were affected), Poms are number 1 (43.7% tested were affected). Though I guess with them being tiny, they don't put as much stress on their joints and aren't hard to carry...:uhoh:

 

Okay so I am looking to get Lincoln a friend in August. I have been looking everywhere for either a Chinese Crested or a Yorkie. and you know what I have found?

The moment I say clearances breeders run away! It doesn't fail I say okay send me clearances and for sure I never hear from the beeders again. I even had one email back to me what do you mean clearances? I almost fell off my chair!

Okay that rant is done next--I've been looking into this site Lifetime Guarantee - Tor. - Toronto Yorkie Puppies for Sale by Yorkshire Terrier Breeders - Toronto, Ottawa, Mississauga, Hamilton, Brampton, London, Markham, and Vaughan
It has guarantee for lifetime on it i'm not sure if it's a scam what do you guys think I could really use your opinions.

This is a broker site for dogs born in US high volume facilities. They have recently started advertising for Goldens as well. Steer clear!!

My club runs an all-breed health clinic each spring and we frankly do not really see Yorkies coming in for testing. There is one Crested breeder who brings her dogs to it, and then the CKCS and English Toy Spaniel people are there getting hearts and eyes done, but those are about the only toys we see regularly.

Here is the CYTA website Canadian Yorkshire Terrier Association The one breeder listed with pups currently does indicate on their own site that they test for liver shunts.

Chinese Crested Club of Canada Chinese Crested Club of Canada

 

Just wondering when and where is the clinic your speaking of :O

 

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Now, i want to say, puppy mills are wrong, horrible, and the live the dogs live, are even worse, BYB, to me , is a family breeding, their dog, for a litterof pups, not over, and over again, i bought a golden many years ago, my first, from a byb, did not know any different, knew nothing about clearences, also, many of us growing up, did the same, or we would not had a pet. To me, the two, are not the same.