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The rationale is easy..,..some people would like us to believe that the WSAVA has our pet's interests at heart and not the health of their bottem lines. Since the big four own the WSVA, and exclude other companies..it seems obvious what their real motives are..PROFITS AND STOCKHOLDERS come first.
I won't feed their foods, but ever since this DCM scare happened..sales of the BIG chief rival BLUE have surged upwards; and their lines are now mostly grain free.
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The “cardiologists and nutritionists” should be ashamed."
Not true. About – WSAVA I (unlike others) believe people can read without copy pasting enormous amounts of text and graphics but very clearly WSAVA is NOT owned by the 'big four'. Go read there at your leisure without me cherry picking for you. These companies are partners, and they subsidize the great work WSAVA does. WSAVA is in fact nearly 60 years old and most veterinarians are represented by WSAVA. The cardiologists and nutritionists who work with them are cutting edge and have nothing to be ashamed of. It's the companies who are not on board such as Diamond (a company with more recalls than anyone I remember) who should be ashamed.
 
This is a bit long'ish, for which I apologize in advance. But, it's also my swan song on this topic, so...

I'm new to this site, and to golden retrievers (and, maybe should keep quite and defer to those who know more than I? :unsure:;) ). Hopefully, the OP has been able to successfully address their specific concerns, and has moved on to enjoy their life-in-general and their golden-in-particular.

I've already addressed my attitude towards ingredients and potential impacts on dilated cardiomyopathy (DCM) in goldens. But, just for sake of everything-in-one-place, I'll reiterate that I'm avoiding any food that includes peas, potatos, etc. in the ingredient list. Any causal linkage between these ingredients and DCM in goldens is not a proven, but, with the wide assortment of foods to select from, there's no need to take any chances.

The follow-on discussion on this thread about the relative priorities and value of the WSAVA is interesting, but doesn't really track. Because, as others have already stated, the WSAVA doesn't recommend any specific brands or formulations. But, the WSAVA does provide some criteria it recommends people use in assessing potential foods, and these criteria can be assessed on their own merit, independent of who did/did-not pay for them to be proposed.

I'm synopsizing from WSAVA's glossy, which can be found here.

Does the manufacturer employ a full-time, qualified nutritionist?
Who formulates the manufacturer's foods and what are their credentials?

I lump these together. While there is a level of comfort in knowing a manufacturer has qualified nutritionists on staff, that doesn't mean that all of the manufacturer's products are going to meet everyone's standards for "top shelf". First, there seems to be variation, even amongst "the experts", on what constitutes "top shelf" ingredients. Second, the reality is that not everyone cares; many will buy based on price, not ingredients. And, none of the manufacturers are in this business to lose money, or pass up a chance on sales. Even if a manufacturer was highly altruistic in their approach and product, that means nothing if they cannot stay in business.
So, good "comfort level", but not an absolute discriminator.

Do your diets meet AAFCO nutrient profiles? By analysis or forumulation?
This is a bit more helpful, especially with the AAFCO statements on the product. This is one of the three best criteria I have found so far, and the easiest to understand. I somewhat get the check on "how" the nutrient profile is determined, but it's somewhat moot when other factors get mixed into the equation.

Food formulated for puppies? Check.
Food formulated to be complete and balanced? Check.

Nice, straightforward, and easy. The whole story? Nope. But, answers two significant questions that should be asked.

Where are the foods produced and manufactured?
What quality control measures are used in the manufacture of food?

Personally, "where produced" is huge. Is it a guarantee? Nope. Quality control measures can fail, irrespective of reason or intent. But, some locales simply engender more faith in the oversight and management of the quality of the ingredients.

Can the manufacturer provide an exact (vice "guaranteed analysis") measure for a nutrient?
I imagine this can be nice, but I question if it is "necessary". My rationale is a concept called "false precision". It's possible to be incredibly precise, yet still miss the mark. And, what is the real-world import of 1.1% vice 1.2%? Especially if I'm not using similar precision in the portion size?
Maybe similar to the nutritionist criteria. A good "comfort level", but not an absolute discriminator.

What is the caloric value of manufacturer's food?
Okay, something that is, more-or-less, another straightforward-and-simple. How many calories does my four-legged family member need? How much of this product do they need to eat to get those calories?

What product research has been conducted, and is it published?
Yeah, another "comfort level", but not an absolute discriminator.

So, WSAVA proposes 8 criteria to use when assessing which pet food to purchase. Of these, I find that 4 are "nice, but not definitive", and 4 can be directly applied in making a selection. But, all are worthwhile, and there's not really an overt bias for/against any group of manufacturers.

But, the FDA has some input, too
Which brings up the "two biggies" (well,"three", no, "four") for me. These are mandated by the FDA, and are, in my mind, much more helpful in the final assessment.

Ingredient List
While part of me is highly annoyed that this list can be gamed (ingredient splitting), and that there is no percent-by-weight or other objective quantification of the ingredients, it at least provides the opportunity to screen for desired/undesired ingredients.

Guaranteed Analysis
Okay, it's not the "exact measure" that WSAVA recommends. But, it's enough to make some "good enough" assessments. And, this is impacted by another factor, which I'll mention shortly.

Nutritional Adequacy
Ah...that nice, short, straightforward declarative.

Feeding Directions
Initially, I didn't pay much attention to this. But then, I asked myself a question. If kibble-brand-A has twice the percentage of X than kibble-brand-B, does that really mean my puppy is getting twice-as-much-X if I feed kibble-brand-A? It seems that the answer would be "no", if the feeding directions call for 1/2 the amount compared to kibble-brand-B.
So, I'm looking at both the "guaranteed analysis" and "feeding directions" to determine if enough of X is being included in the daily feedings.
Parenthetically, while I recognize the value of nutrient dense foods, my brief experience with our four-legged-kibble-vacuum tells me she might just appreciate an extra half-cup of "filler", as long as it doesn't cause her problems.

And, finally...
Does it really matter what WSAVA's objectives are, or motivations? Not really. Their recommended criteria are good, albeit not the end-all-be-all. There's other criteria to consider, mandated by other organizations. There's also your vet's recommendations. It may take a bit of slogging-through-the-Internet, but finding a food that you feel comfortable feeding your four-legged-family-member can be done.
 
Your 4 legged vacuum will surely appreciate your ability to discern good nutrition! Thank you for taking that time- a very good post!
(and fwiw- most of them suggest too much food imo)
 
Not true. About – WSAVA I (unlike others) believe people can read without copy pasting enormous amounts of text and graphics but very clearly WSAVA is NOT owned by the 'big four'. Go read there at your leisure without me cherry picking for you. These companies are partners, and they subsidize the great work WSAVA does. WSAVA is in fact nearly 60 years old and most veterinarians are represented by WSAVA. The cardiologists and nutritionists who work with them are cutting edge and have nothing to be ashamed of. It's the companies who are not on board such as Diamond (a company with more recalls than anyone I remember) who should be ashamed.
We all are entitled to our own opinions, and it's up to everyone to form their own without the constant insults and bullying by the few here that ATTEMPT to alter the FACTS (presented in writing) with diversions. Within that post is an FDA link to findings on certain Purina foods during an investigation, and Purina's lack of candor in their reply.

There are many dog forums on the net..some of which share mutual site ownership with GRF. None that I currently belong to or watch have a high regard for Purina or the WSAVA. These are public forums and easily googled for confirmation.
 
Just because you say something doesn't mean it is true. You seem to be the one attempting to alter the facts. I am not attempting ANYTHING. I simply posted a link to the WASVA site which clearly states your thoughts re: 'who owns' are mis-thoughts. WSAVA does good work and they are not owned by the big 4 anymore than they are owned by ISVO or VSSO. Very good work. I'd bet your own veterinarian belongs to one of the organizations, attends conferences that support, and learns from WSAVA- Associations – WSAVA
Clearly THIS forum has high regard for Purina and the WSAVA. It is what it is.
 
You want to avoid any peas, legumes, pulses and potato's. Peas are the most suspect in what I have been seeing. ppp does have dogs with low taurine levels. I would really put that in the watch out for list. Maybe some varieties don't have the suspect foods. I would check the ingredients. On the wsava list or not, we already know their is an issue with those ingredients. That is just my opinion. Hills also has a few varieties with peas in it to. Best to be safe
I personally think that raw is the best option because its free of chemicals, grains,potatos and peas and has a lot of natural turaine from the muscle and organ meat
 
I personally think that raw is the best option because its free of chemicals, grains,potatos and peas and has a lot of natural turaine from the muscle and organ meat
Keep in mind… that dogs, unlike cats & wolves, are NOT true carnivores and that there's no evidence that raw is better than properly-tested dry food. Also, it’s uncooked & thus unsafe, esp. so for children & grandparents. Instead feed a home-cooked diet designed by a bd-certified nutritionist. OR consider giving the large FB group devoted n-DCM a ‘trial run’ …it’s fact-based. Always good to expose one’s beliefs to what science has found. Esp. so with DCM…which is a silent disease.
 
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