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A word about breeder websites

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With the many new Forum Members coming in and asking for help in finding breeders, I thought I'd post this information. I hope that it is helpful.

Breeder Websites
There are an uncountable number of breeder websites on the internet. If looking for a puppy and utilizing internet websites, there a few things to keep in mind. Fancy websites with lots of great pictures don’t necessarily mean that the breeder is a good one, and conversely, NOT having a website doesn’t mean that a breeder ISN’T a good one.
1. Clearance information should be made clearly available. Hips/Elbows, Cardiac and Eye clearance information is generally listed with links to those databases. Claims of clearances mean nothing if they cannot be verified. At the very least, full registered names of the dogs should be on the site so that they can be followed to the appropriate clearances. If only call names are listed, it should be considered a “red flag”
2. Be aware of the registry being utilized. In North America, the only registrations worth the paper they are written on are AKC (American Kennel Club), CKC (Canadian Kennel Club) and UKC (United Kennel Club). There are many “alternative” registries, such as APR, API, ContKC, etc, and they are most often used by millers, brokers, and individual breeders who have lost privileges with the “big three”.
3. Marketing and pricing by color ie “Rare British Crème/Creams”, “Alpine Whites”, “English Cremes” etc. should be viewed with caution. Breeders charging exorbitant prices based on color are a red flag.
4. Bigger is not better, nor is smaller. Be aware of the standard. Breeders proudly marketing over or undersized dogs are another red flag. So are breeders offering green or blue eyes, black Goldens, or other obviously not “Golden Retriever” traits.
5. Most reputable breeders’ puppies are sold long before they are old enough to go to new homes, most before a breeding even takes place. Websites advertising lots of litters, or many older puppies available, are a red flag.
6. Sites offering puppies ready to go to new homes before the age of 7 weeks MINIMUM are a red flag.
“A Puppy Buyer’s Fact Checker”, found on this forum at https://www.goldenretrieverforum.com/showthread.php?t=22440
Is a helpful guide to anyone considering purchasing a Golden Retriever puppy, as is the information on the Golden Retriever Club of America’s website, which you can find here: http://www.grca.org/menu_searchingforgr.htm
There are many reputable breeders who do not have websites, and it can be helpful to find breeders in your area by contacting local GR clubs, or the puppy referral persons for the GRCA, which can be found in the above link, as can contacts for rescues.
I have been criticized for not having a website. I have chosen not to for several reasons, not the least being that I do not need one to sell puppies, mine are sold in advance of a breeding being made, and as I have only a litter every year or two, it seemed like an unnecessary thing to have. Essentially, it was nothing more than a photo gallery / show brag site, and I wasn’t good at keeping it updated or maintained. I also was tired of the often strange contacts that it elicited, so I took it down. It does not mean that I have anything to hide, or am not allowing scrutiny of my dogs. I’m happy to provide any clearance information that I have, and proudly do so. Currently, a friend who I show Labs for, who is a website designer, is attempting to build a new site for me. She will tell you that I am only reluctantly helping her do so, and in no rush for it to be completed. I still see no real reason to have one. But she wants to do it as a thank you, so there may be one up before too long.
Any criticism or comments that I might make about breeders who Forum members inquire about on this site are based entirely on lack of clearance information, or outright fraudulent information that might be on the sites of those breeders. Any one commenting on them or replying to such inquiries, breeders or otherwise, is simply trying to help those asking for help be able to make informed decisions and to prevent them from getting something less than what they were promised, or paid for. Not having a site of their own in no way means that they themselves are less than reputable. If you were to consider purchasing a puppy from me, or any other breeder who is a member of this forum, I would imagine that you would make the same inquiries and utilize the same guidelines for us, as well.
 
#4 ·
I agree Roscoe's Mom.
Being a member of the Golden Retriever Club of Canada and the BC chapter, I know MANY good breeders who don't have websites. One of the most well known show breeders here in BC doesn't have one. Her litters are spoken for before they're even conceived.
Anyone remember the golden who took the Sporting Group at Westminster in 2007? Chuckanucks Party Favor O Novel, Andy? Highly respected breeders and they don't have a website either.
So I know that whether a breeder has a site or not has no bearing on their reputation or the quality of their dogs. It's their breeding ethics in conforming to the breed standards as outlines by the GRCA or GRCC, the clearances and how they prove their dogs.
Here's a link to the the GRCC website for those in Canada www.grcc.net It also outlines the breed standard in Canada (slightly different that the US) and has links to all the affiliate clubs across Canada.
Good post PG.
 
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Thanks, I know I had done a google search just after Andy's win and couldn't find it. I'll definately be checking that out.
 
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Thanks, I know I had done a google search just after Andy's win and couldn't find it. I'll definately be checking that out.

Andy's win was in 2006 and they did the website shortly after, but Ken will tell you that he isn't a big fan of having a website, and it's quite out of date. They are old school and that is fine with me. More time for the dogs! Can't wait until Ruby delivers next month!
 
#17 ·
great post... here is a webpage that might help some people:

http://www.apromisekennnels.com/103464.html

i recently found it... the breeder called our attention to some absurd things that other "breeders" are saying to lure in unsuspecting buyers
 
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#20 ·
I would add to this and Point Gold's post that just because a breeder does or doesn't have a website shouldn't be used in the decision-making process. I think one of the best things you can do is go visit the breeder and see where they keep their dogs, where their dogs live all the time, and where puppies are reared, and in what environment. Look around and see if the dogs are well kept (beyond just being clean and fed), if they have toys, and are well socialized to all kinds of situations.
 
#30 ·
In terms of clearances and our experiences and what I feel is the "good" breed standard, I will tell you how it went down for us. Before we even met the puppies the breeder sat down with us, met us, socialized with her adult dogs (man I could take home each and every one of them) and interviewed us to see if we were a match where we discussed the good things and sometimes the not so good things. Then she sat down and pulled out all the sire & dam's paperwork in a large binder, and went over each individual document and clearance signed by the veterinarian specialists, complete with the veterinarians notes, everything.

Now I would venture a guess that it is safe to say that your dog's sire and dam don't have clearances or they aren't good clearances. Don't loose heart, you love your dog and now that is what is important. :) Hopefully all is OK, and even if the sire & dam both pass or fail, there is still no 100% that they will have typical Golden problems. The screening does help a great deal, but genetic problems can happen even with the best of breeders and bloodlines.
 
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I completely agree! Personally, I built my website simply because it was fun and I wanted to. I started with building one for Sydney with all her puppy pictures so that my breeders and online friends could see pictures of her as she grew. From there, I built my own site, and another for Paige, just for the fun of it. But there are certainly things to watch for and I think its great that its been brought up here. BJ
 
#24 ·
When I finally decided I wanted a Golden puppy and I began my research I found so much online--it was SO confusing.

The thing that BLEW MY MIND was how young puppies are "shipped" all over the country (even world?). I would never, ever get a puppy this way. Buying a puppy from a breeder who I've never met or who's never met me? Not seeing the conditions of where my puppy was born and spent his first weeks of life? Shipping my puppy in probably the cargo area of a plane? Unacceptable.

I ran into a family at Petsmart. They purchased a Golden puppy online and they told me their puppy would be 10 weeks old and that she was being shipped via air from the east coast. They paid $1200 for their puppy.

I haven't noticed this talked about much here at GRF. I'm interested in learning what the reputable breeders here have to say about shipping puppies? Or is it so obviously wrong that it doesn't need to be discussed? LOL!
 
#29 ·
Hi...just wanted to tell you that I'm with you on this onne. I make it very clear on my website and to prospective buyers that I don't ship puppies. For me, after you devote 8 weeks nurturing, loving, taking care of and preparing a pup for his new family, I can't wrap my head around doing all of that and then leaving him in the cargo section of a plane for hours all alone. I want a loving and warm hand off from his Mom and littermates to their new family. Good Luck in your search!
 
#25 ·
I really don't see anything wrong with shipping puppies. I got my last Great Dane from a breeder in Alaska and was very happy with both the breeder and the puppy. I shipped her on Alaska Airlines, (a friend of mine was the pilot on the plane so that did make me feel more comfortable ;)). I did my research and knew breeders in my area, (SF Bay Area, also), who respected this breeder and knew her personally.

My next Dane will come from a breeder in Wisconsin. She is one of the top Dane breeders in the US and I really want a puppy from her breeding program. I may fly out there and pick up the pup, but probably not.
 
#31 ·
I would not ship a puppy to someone that I have not established a relationship with, ie no one that I don't know would contact me through an internet website, send me money, and have a dog or puppy flown to them. However, shipping a dog or puppy in itself is not necessarily a bad thing. I will not say that I will not ship as a blanket statement.