[Conquerergold]

Chance is extremely light. Some would probably say he was white. But...when he was next to a Samoyed at my shop, you could really tell the difference between his color and a truly white dog.

Very good comparison!!! I have one Golden who is extremely pale, I often get asked what breed she is, or hear 'wow I didn't know they came in white'. Yet see her in the snow, and one can see she is a very very pale cream colour.

Cheers
Rob

 

[Prism Goldens]

I take issue w/a breeder who claims to have clearances, yet none are verifiable. The website page on the bitch that has a litter on the ground says she has all the clearances, including CERF on her eyes, yet nothing is on CERF's site. I didn't bother checking the other animals on her site, when one is AKC registered and living in the US, and has only one claim to a clearance through a US facility, and doesn't bother to send it in to CERF, dotting i's and crossing t's may not be their focus in any of their puppy practices. I'd run from this one- fast-

 

[Lilliam]

It would be hypocritical of me to dismiss a dog because he/she is a particular colour, since my Cassie girl was a white border collie. But she came out white because two white factored dogs were bred together, and Cassie was the result of such a breeding. She was dysplastic but otherwise healthy and had no health issues until the end of her life.

That said, I would run like the wind from a breeder who advertises English Creme Golden Retrievers as this breeder has. Not because I don't like the pale dogs although I prefer dark goldens, but because English type is a whole different story than English Creme. The first refers to physical attributes other than just shade of coat. The second is falling to the breeding of near white dogs. So, as many others have said, health is secondary to coat and it should NEVER be like that.

 

[Sweet Cream Goldens]

I see we are quite late to the communication party here, but we saw this post and wanted to confirm that we would be happy to supply health clearances to any interested party on all of our adult dogs. Best wishes to all, Sweet Cream Goldens

 

[LJack]

I see we are quite late to the communication party here, but we saw this post and wanted to confirm that we would be happy to supply health clearances to any interested party on all of our adult dogs. Best wishes to all, Sweet Cream Goldens

That is great. Please send them all into OFA so they can be recorded and easily verifiable by anyone who cares to look, like your buyers and puppy shoppers.

 

[danielco]

That is great. Please send them all into OFA so they can be recorded and easily verifiable by anyone who cares to look, like your buyers and puppy shoppers.

Its been over a year since this reply - how do I verify Sweet Cream Goldens and where / what is OFA?

Thanks
Dan

 

[danielco]

Hi All,

We're looking to get a puppy. It will be our first time, our last three goldens (all at the bridge) were rescues or adoptions. My plan is to get a puppy, wait about 6 or 9 months and adopt again.

I've been scouring the internet and this forum and would love it if someone would give me their opinion on this breeders clearances:

English Cream Golden Retriever Puppies

That's one of her girls - it just links to the K9data database - no dates on any of the clearances.

I like the idea of a "creamy" golden - my last three were traditional golden color.

I'd very much appreciate any of your thoughts on the clearances and this breeder in general.

Thanks ahead of time!

Michelle:wave:

Its been a few years but did you or anyone else actually experience one of the Sweet Cream Goldens?

 

[Prism Goldens]

OFA is the Orthopedic Foundation for Animals- Orthopedic Foundation for Animals and it is the storehouse for clearances, one that cannot be manipulated nor misinformation found, like k9data.
Not knocking k9data- I love it- but whatever is there, I verify on OFA.
I don't know these breeders, re-read the thread and it appears they claim things that are not verifiable unless you go visit and frankly, at that point, most people see darling puppies and forget all about the risks of unclearanced parents. So my advice to you is to verify everything on OFA. If it's not there, it probably doesn't exist (not always the case, but this gal was specifically asked to make it available on OFA and if she didn't more than a year ago, I have to believe it's because it's not real- cost is $7.50 to list an original clearance so that's no reason). Someone will probably go to the site and look up the actual involved dogs for you, and give you the verdict, I just don't have time this morning or I would do it.

 

[Prism Goldens]

Well, I took the few seconds I had to look at the site- insane- they have 5 litters due in JUNE alone!!!!
I cannot tell you how much work it is to raise ONE litter well- two is a stretch- 5? NO.
I'd run. Think about this- at a minimum, assuming 8 puppies per litter- 40 X 2500-
that's enough money this breeder could certainly afford to get clearances listed on OFA!
(and buy a sleek new car every 6 months too). The other HUGE red flag is the guardian program- that's just another $$$$$ in the door and family pets are being used to produce money for the breeder.

 

[Prism Goldens]

I see that Scout (one of the stud dogs) has clearances on OFA- however, he appears to have several issues with structure, per the photo on k9data/their website. The topline looks really bad. Indy, the other stud dog on the 5 litters they have listed on their site, is a much better structural example. His clearances are not verifiable to me, maybe someone else is more skilled with foreign clearances.
Of the dams- Ellie is not old enough to breed per the Code of Ethics. She does not have correct clearances. No telling on Crystal as they have Ellie's pedigree linked to k9data, and if you put the name they have in the database you still get Ellie. So who knows on her...but her structure too looks off to me, she has way too much leg and her rear is high for just a couple of the things I see from the photos. Daisy is also too young for clearances. Layla's clearances are not verifiable by me. Someone else perhaps can come up with them.
So, the assertion that all clearances are in place... not so much. 'Vet approved health' as it says on the site really means nothing.

 

[annef]

European standard is any shade of cream or gold NOT white. Anne

 

[danielco]

I did find MAX on the OFA site and it mentioned something about Retinal Dysplasia....

 

[Dotlars]

Beware

I purchased a puppy from Sweet Cream Goldens in June 2017. I paid months ahead to get first pick female, but there was only one female so I had to take her or wait another 6 months for an available puppy. I scheduled a pickup date (which was at 7 weeks), drove 7 hours to pick her up, and they decided to go on an outing so they wouldn't be there. The husband came home and spent 15 minutes with me to hand over the puppy and give me a packet of registration papers. I did not get to see the litter mates, nor have time to ask any questions. They wouldn't guarantee health unless I put myself on delivery system of their food (Life's Abundance) for 3 years, of which they are marketers for. My vet said he had never heard of nutrition being a guarantee against hip dysplasia. My pup has ichthyosis, and when I contacted them about it, they admitted the female (Layla) was a carrier, but the sire wasn't so it couldn't have happened. Their response was, let us know how it goes. I spent thousands on my last golden with allergies and yeast infections. We are having on-going UTI's and yeast is now appearing. Please do your research before buying from this family. It is a money-making income for them, and they are not in it for the dogs.

 

[Sweet Cream Goldens]

Response to Dotlars

Hi, this is Bart from Sweet Cream Goldens. After reading "Dotlars" candid comments yesterday, we spoke on the phone for 30 minutes today. We listened and discussed each of the issues she addressed in her comments. Thank you Dotlar for taking the time to talk through your concerns. I asked her for permission to reply on this forum and she said it would be just fine. Essentially, there were a few concerns that over time added up to a level of frustration. The last communication we had with her was 5 months ago and at that time her dog was fitting in very nicely with her family, but she had some skin concerns and her dog had a yeast infection. We communicated, back and forth, and from our vantage point we were unaware of lingering concerns. They were valid, and thankfully we came to good resolution today. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I don't respond to this to disparage Dotlars in any way, but more to acknowledge that we want to do our best to address concerns and continue to improve the experience of each customer we are fortunate enough to assist in the process of bringing a companion into their home. Again thanks Dotlar for taking time to talk through these issues in a very sensible way with us. Happy New Year.

 

[Prism Goldens]

I'm glad you have begun getting clearances on some of your dogs in the US.
I do wish you would send in your eye clearances, nothing would please me more than finding an EC breeder to suggest to people.
That said, Danny is not old enough to breed- OFA prelms are not finals. And most of the girls you are expecting litters from (5 if I counted right) do not have full clearances either.

ICT is a recessive trait. If Layla is a carrier, Dottlers, and the stud dog has not been tested (since none of the DNA tests on these dogs are on a verifiable source) you can easily get a DNA test on your dog done- it's not expensive and right now Pawprint Genetics has a 50% off sale going. Easy breezy. Then you will know definitively whether your dog is an ICT affected- which will save you money in the long run, since the nightmare of flakes and skin issues can't be fixed w meds, you'd be throwing that money away.... and if your dog is an affected, that means the stud dog was also at a minimum a carrier.