[CAROLINA MOM]

This is so incredibly sad, I am so sorry for your loss of Chole.

 

[Jenalber78]

Never in a million would I think this day would come- I'm going to defend Mario, who is not a good breeder and thank God he is stopping breeding, I do hope that's correct info....
The conclusion you're reaching on pup's intusseception is not founded in reality. All dogs have a parasite load, and more likely the surgery @ VEG (which is a low-cost ER center) or just a sad accident has something to do with the end of the story.
"that can only mean one thing" on the speckles- another conclusion not based in fact. We do not know what the speckles are, so we do not know what it means.

I get it- Mario blocked you - he is a perfectly awful high volume ContKC breeder and FL is good to be rid of him. It's behavior you would have been unlikely to have gotten from a decent human. But none of that means he's responsible for your pup's death. And this pup wasn't the first you'd bought from him.

Also, your puppy did not have CKC registration, pup had ContKC. CKC is Canadian. Continental is a BYB/HVB registry and the pedigree is not worth the paper it's printed on.

The point of my post was to hopefully find someone who had seen something similar and/or might be able to explain the speckles. Whatever they are they spread, so it wasn’t something she ingested, and if you don’t know what it is either than you can’t really say if it was or wasn’t inherited.

As far as the parasites go, I have lived in Florida my whole life (over 40 years) and have had dogs since I was a kid - this is the first dog I have EVER had to treat for parasites. So, parasites in Florida are not as common as you or another commenter make them seem.

My guess is Mario blocked my email because another person who purchased a pup from my pups litter contacted Mario with an issue - I, of course, cannot confirm this, which was another reason for my post - hoping someone else from the litter found this group. My feeling on this might have been different if the email had been returned undeliverable as that would have indicated that he closed the email address, however the returned email specifically said BLOCKED, which means he can still receive emails from others. (And that just made me think to resend the email from my husband’s email address 🤦🏻‍♀️). The first dog I purchased from Mario was a husky 12 years ago, and she lived a long, happy, and healthy life. Because of her, I trusted Mario, and I genuinely want this not to be his fault, but I feel I have to explore every avenue to make sense of what happened to my sweet little Chloe. She was taken from us way too soon.

The information you shared about the KC is greatly appreciated and I will keep that in mind. Currently I am in nursing school, and once I graduate I intend to purchase another golden pup as I feel my family’s time with Chloe was way to short. The information will help as I look for another breeder to purchase my golden from in about a year.

 

[Ivyacres]

I'm so sorry for your loss of Chloe. It sounds like you did the best you could for her.

 

[Prism Goldens]

The point of my post was to hopefully find someone who had seen something similar and/or might be able to explain the speckles. Whatever they are they spread, so it wasn’t something she ingested, and if you don’t know what it is either than you can’t really say if it was or wasn’t inherited.

As far as the parasites go, I have lived in Florida my whole life (over 40 years) and have had dogs since I was a kid - this is the first dog I have EVER had to treat for parasites. So, parasites in Florida are not as common as you or another commenter make them seem.

My guess is Mario blocked my email because another person who purchased a pup from my pups litter contacted Mario with an issue - I, of course, cannot confirm this, which was another reason for my post - hoping someone else from the litter found this group. My feeling on this might have been different if the email had been returned undeliverable as that would have indicated that he closed the email address, however the returned email specifically said BLOCKED, which means he can still receive emails from others. (And that just made me think to resend the email from my husband’s email address 🤦🏻‍♀️). The first dog I purchased from Mario was a husky 12 years ago, and she lived a long, happy, and healthy life. Because of her, I trusted Mario, and I genuinely want this not to be his fault, but I feel I have to explore every avenue to make sense of what happened to my sweet little Chloe. She was taken from us way too soon.

The information you shared about the KC is greatly appreciated and I will keep that in mind. Currently I am in nursing school, and once I graduate I intend to purchase another golden pup as I feel my family’s time with Chloe was way to short. The information will help as I look for another breeder to purchase my golden from in about a year.

Grant you- this is NOT a good breeder. And it's a shame he's not more into sharing info, when it could help his produce, but clearly this is just more of his poor practices.
Parasites- your dogs have them, whether you see them on fecal once a year or not. Worms- I wrote a long informational on their strategy for survival if you care to read it: worms, worms and more worms....
You just dk you had them.
The speckles- I will send your rads to several specialists and see what they conclude- however- it's much more likely a result of the surgery than any genetic thing, in more than 40 in depth years, speckles on rads have never come up for me and I see lots of rads. I know with the loss it's a huge inclination to want to blame him- and there is plenty to blame him for, no question- but the conclusions you are reaching aren't reasonable ones.

 

[rhondas]

The point of my post was to hopefully find someone who had seen something similar and/or might be able to explain the speckles. Whatever they are they spread, so it wasn’t something she ingested, and if you don’t know what it is either than you can’t really say if it was or wasn’t inherited.

As far as the parasites go, I have lived in Florida my whole life (over 40 years) and have had dogs since I was a kid - this is the first dog I have EVER had to treat for parasites. So, parasites in Florida are not as common as you or another commenter make them seem.

My guess is Mario blocked my email because another person who purchased a pup from my pups litter contacted Mario with an issue - I, of course, cannot confirm this, which was another reason for my post - hoping someone else from the litter found this group. My feeling on this might have been different if the email had been returned undeliverable as that would have indicated that he closed the email address, however the returned email specifically said BLOCKED, which means he can still receive emails from others. (And that just made me think to resend the email from my husband’s email address 🤦🏻‍♀️). The first dog I purchased from Mario was a husky 12 years ago, and she lived a long, happy, and healthy life. Because of her, I trusted Mario, and I genuinely want this not to be his fault, but I feel I have to explore every avenue to make sense of what happened to my sweet little Chloe. She was taken from us way too soon.

The information you shared about the KC is greatly appreciated and I will keep that in mind. Currently I am in nursing school, and once I graduate I intend to purchase another golden pup as I feel my family’s time with Chloe was way to short. The information will help as I look for another breeder to purchase my golden from in about a year.

It is very sad that your puppy died. However, the reason for her death is the intussusception and the infection as a result of the initial surgery that could not be resolved with further surgery. You need to do some research on what intussusception is. Additionally, Prism Golden has stated what any dog owner knows - all dogs have a parasite load regardless of where you live.. puppies tend to be more susceptible due to immature immune systems and stress when moving to their new homes. Your breeder is not responsible for her death.

 

[Jenalber78]

Grant you- this is NOT a good breeder. And it's a shame he's not more into sharing info, when it could help his produce, but clearly this is just more of his poor practices.
Parasites- your dogs have them, whether you see them on fecal once a year or not. Worms- I wrote a long informational on their strategy for survival if you care to read it: worms, worms and more worms....
You just dk you had them.
The speckles- I will send your rads to several specialists and see what they conclude- however- it's much more likely a result of the surgery than any genetic thing, in more than 40 in depth years, speckles on rads have never come up for me and I see lots of rads. I know with the loss it's a huge inclination to want to blame him- and there is plenty to blame him for, no question- but the conclusions you are reaching aren't reasonable ones.

Understood. Thank you for the extended explanation. Something to keep in mind when sending the rads…. The speckles were present BEFORE the first surgery occurred and were still present after. That’s what is so strange about them. Both of the rad images I provided in my post are prior to the first surgery where the intussusception was repaired. I saw images post-surgery but do not have copies of them. The first surgery was preformed on 2/24. The image where you can clearly see all the gas buildup in the intestines was taken on 2/21 - the speckles are not as noticeable in that image, but if you look closely you can find them. The image where all you see is the speckles was taken on 2/23, the day before the surgery took place. I just want to be sure that someone looking at the images has as much of a full picture of the steps as possible.

Being in nursing school (and yes I realize dogs are a bit different than humans), I have shown the images to a few rad techs myself and haven’t been able to get much of an explanation. The only thing I can think is, if there was nothing inside the intestines to explain the speckles then it must be caused by something in the intestinal walls. The questions is what?

 

[Jenalber78]

It is very sad that your puppy died. However, the reason for her death is the intussusception and the infection as a result of the initial surgery that could not be resolved with further surgery. You need to do some research on what intussusception is. Additionally, Prism Golden has stated what any dog owner knows - all dogs have a parasite load regardless of where you live.. puppies tend to be more susceptible due to immature immune systems and stress when moving to their new homes. Your breeder is not responsible for her death.

I know exactly what an intussusception is. I am a nursing student and they occur in human children as well. I also know that there is really no specific cause for them, but was told that there is some link between intestinal parasites and intussusception in dogs by the surgeon who performed the surgery. But thank you for the assumption that I do not know what they are…. Looking at the X-rays, there was clearly something more involved than just the intussusception BEFORE the first surgery was done, as there are anomalies in the X-rays that to this point no one has been able to explain. I have looked at other rad images of intussusception (both in dogs and in humans) and none of them have had the speckles seen in my pups images. The surgeon didn’t see anything internal to her intestines that was causing the speckles when she performed the surgery…. I was hoping for more of an explanation of the speckles - as there is a chance they might be linked to the excessive infection that occurred following the initial surgery. I don’t know that they are - but I also don’t know what they are. Prism Golden has graciously offered to show the images to some rad specialists to see if we can determine what the speckles might be or if anyone has seen anything like them before. Until we know what the speckles are, no one can really say anything about what was actually responsible for my pups death.

 

[Hildae]

To be fair, I didn't see the OP actually blame or accuse the breeder of anything, unless I missed it. She simply said she wondered if anyone here had a puppy from the same litter, and noted that the breeder had blocked communication with her.

 

[Jenalber78]

To be fair, I didn't see the OP actually blame or accuse the breeder of anything, unless I missed it. She simply said she wondered if anyone here had a puppy from the same litter, and noted that the breeder had blocked communication with her.

Thank you, I feel like I am being attacked for making accusations I didn’t make. I am just looking for answers to things I have tried to research and come up with dead ends. And maybe to understand why the breeder blocked my email because that’s a little suspicious.

 

[JanGold]

Thank you, I feel like I am being attacked for making accusations I didn’t make. I am just looking for answers to things I have tried to research and come up with dead ends. And maybe to understand why the breeder blocked my email because that’s a little suspicious.

I am so sorry for the loss of your puppy. It is very understandable that you are upset and even suspicious due to the blocking. I don't see there being a resolution other then greiving and later moving on. Such an unfortunate chain of events and also a painful learning experience. My heart goes out to you and your family. 💗

 

[DogParentofOne]

I’m so sorry for your loss… especially with Chloe being so young <3

everyone here seems to be making accusations against you, but I mean, this isn’t something just anyone can predict and he also was the one breeding non-health tested dogs. I personally am unsure of what the speckles in her intestines may have been. Are there any other local vets you could contact to talk to? Maybe some of them would know? If not, I’m sure someone on this forum can help you

I really am sorry about your loss… my only advice is in the future to look for AKC registered dogs who have had OFA testing and health testing. Good luck with you nursing school and i hope you come across the perfect puppy again in the future!

 

[Jenalber78]

I’m so sorry for your loss… especially with Chloe being so young <3

everyone here seems to be making accusations against you, but I mean, this isn’t something just anyone can predict and he also was the one breeding non-health tested dogs. I personally am unsure of what the speckles in her intestines may have been. Are there any other local vets you could contact to talk to? Maybe some of them would know? If not, I’m sure someone on this forum can help you

I really am sorry about your loss… my only advice is in the future to look for AKC registered dogs who have had OFA testing and health testing. Good luck with you nursing school and i hope you come across the perfect puppy again in the future!

Thank you! I have spoken to a couple people and no one really knows, so I am definitely hoping someone here can help.

 

[Hildae]

Thank you, I feel like I am being attacked for making accusations I didn’t make. I am just looking for answers to things I have tried to research and come up with dead ends. And maybe to understand why the breeder blocked my email because that’s a little suspicious.

It's sad and unfortunate that you had to learn this way about reputable breeders, but on the bright side, you know now and will hopefully have a much better experience the next time you look for a puppy. If you find a breeder you are considering, come here and ask the group about that breeder. The many experienced people here will be able to help you vet them and be sure you're buying from a reputable breeder who follows the GRCA code of ethics.

 

[Prism Goldens]

Where was the intussusception? What part of the GI tract? I was just typing up my inquiry and realized we dk that piece.

 

[DevWind]

So sorry about your puppy. Intussusception is the telescoping of the intestines. There's many things that can cause it, including viral infection or scarring. It sounds nobody is actually at fault. We had to watch for signs of it with our daughter. When you don't know what you're looking for, it's easy to dismiss it as something else.

 

[Jenalber78]

Where was the intussusception? What part of the GI tract? I was just typing up my inquiry and realized we dk that piece.

The intussusception was where the small and large intestine meet. The small intestine actually telescoped into the large intestine.

I genuinely appreciate your efforts in assisting me with finding answers. Being in the medical field, it’s very difficult to have pieces of a puzzle that don’t make sense or don’t add up, so any information you are able to come up with is truly appreciated.

 

[Jenalber78]

This is all very true, and prior to this happening to my puppy, I didn’t know it was even a possibility. I found out in my research that it happens in human children and then inquired about it to one of my instructors at school. Then, had a friend now an ARNP, who used to be a rad tech tell me that she used to see them a lot in radiology. She explained why it couldn’t be seen in the X-ray images and that typically ultrasound is used to diagnose them. All of which now makes sense and now I know what to look for both in animals and in humans, an excellent, yet heartbreaking, learning experience that will help me for years to come.

 

[v.c. 236]

I am a radiologist. Intussusception is the telescoping of intestine as mentioned earlier. In adults it is seen with large polyps of cancers of the colon. In pediatric population it can be seen with hypertrophy of bowel seen with viral infections. Neither cause is visible with plain xray. Ultrasound is used in children to avoid radiation.

White speckles on film reflects bowel contents with dense material. Antacids, calcium, vitamins, soil can all be dense on xray. It appears decreased on second film I assume because the material had passed. I don't think the specs caused the infection that caused your issues. Hope that helped.

 

[Jenalber78]

I am a radiologist. Intussusception is the telescoping of intestine as mentioned earlier. In adults it is seen with large polyps of cancers of the colon. In pediatric population it can be seen with hypertrophy of bowel seen with viral infections. Neither cause is visible with plain xray. Ultrasound is used in children to avoid radiation.

White speckles on film reflects bowel contents with dense material. Antacids, calcium, vitamins, soil can all be dense on xray. It appears decreased on second film I assume because the material had passed. I don't think the specs caused the infection that caused your issues. Hope that helped.

Thank you for your reply. To give a better timeline and maybe add some insight…. The second image in my post, with mostly air in the intestines was actually taken 2 days prior to the one with speckles visible throughout. If you look closely to that image, you can seem some but very minimal speckling. Then it is very obvious in the other image - almost like it was spreading or expanding. The intussusception surgery occurred the day after the more speckled image was taken and the vet said there was no evidence of anything that might cause the speckling in her poop. When the second image was taken, she still had an appetite and would try to eat, but vomited everything she ate. Nothing about the speckling really makes sense - when they saw the images at the vets office they said it was more than likely cat litter, but there was nothing evident in her intestines when they did the surgery - if it was soil, or any of the other items you mentioned, there would have been some signs of something present - but there was nothing. That’s why they are so confusing.

 

[K9-Design]

The first thing I thought was birdseed, mainly because I have one dog who eats bird seed off the ground underneath my wild bird feeder and the poops I scoop are full of undigested bird seed.
Not to defend the breeder, but I could imagine he saw the writing on the wall that you are itching to point fingers and sue him and while he certainly is not at fault, he wants to avoid confrontation altogether, hence, him blocking you. Who knows. He's a dead end, don't hope that you'll get answers from him.
FYI I live 20 minutes from Spring Hill...never heard of the guy