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I'm looking for a GDR puppy. I found one yesterday at an extremely low price. The reason given was that it has a slight heart murmer that it may or may not grow out of. Apparently it was a "1" on the scale that it's measured by.

It's not the price that attracts me, although who wouldn't want to pay less if they could. :) However, Our GDR had a slight murmur and was the greatest dog EVER. He lived to be 10.

The bleeding heart liberal in me wonders what will happen to this dog if no one wants him (my inner self is yelling "awwwwww. GET HIM!!!) and would you risk it and if not, why not?

Truth be told, if my parents had known before they got him, they would have opted for a different puppy. The minute that puppy set foot in the house, he was a keeper and never going back. And not one regret was ever felt or mentioned.
 

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I think you already answered your own question ! Thank goodness there are people like you who will accept the "less than perfect". They need good homes just as much too! Bless you, you are truly an angel, now go get that puppy and show us some pictures !! And yes, of course I would buy him too.
 

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I too think you have already answered your question .. grins ..
 

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I think you have already decided lol
if it is only a slight murmur and he may grow out of it anyway then I would too
 

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I have a 'puppy' with a grade three murmur...she is now 6.5 years....
If you have the heart to love the pup no matter how long her time on earth then get her. If you have your heart set on competing in agility or going on long hikes with her I would not.
Liberty is now 6.5 years old and has had a grade 3 murmur since she was 6 months old....
As you know, not all murmurs mean a debilitating life...

AFTER saying all that...
Does the breeder you are buying from do heart clearances on their breeding stock? Did the sire and dam have heart clearances?
If yes, I would buy the pup and wouldn't blink doing so....the breeders did what they could to try to avoid heart issues.

However if this is a BYB...that doesn't do clearances...I would have to give serious thought to whether or not my actions of purchasing the pup are only encouraging them to breed again....becuase 'someone' with a big heart will buy their puppies....sick or not...
If they would agree to 'give' you the puppy knowing you are going to give it a loving home....and are relieved to know their puppy will beloved and cared for....then yes I would take it.
 

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My Cruiser has a grade 3 since he was 8 weeks old, he is now 2. he lives life to the fullest and plays with my other 3 goldens like any other normal golden.
 
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I've made inquiries. We shall see. I have my own questions too. Apparently all they check for is hips. He is akc registered, which means nothing. But they will supply all vet papers... well. We will see. I'm slightly uncomfortable with the idea of buying a "pig in a poke". They didn't even have a picture of the puppy, which I've asked for. I'm just going to have to wait for a response now.

Oh. fyi, Idon't do waiting well. ;-)
 

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I bought a puppy and both parents were healthy and no issues with their heart. When I took him for his first check up they found a very small heart murmur. I'm still worried and hope it goes away when he grows up but there is no way I can ever take him back for another puppy. The vet told me that once he is a year we would be able to know if the murmur went away or not. Good Luck in making your decision and keep us posted :)
 

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I spent the $$$ for an ultrasound.
Piper started out with a level 5 pulmonic stenosis heart murmer which is now a level 2.
It's the aoertic version that is the bad one.
But still...like my best friend told me, she still needs a loving home, no matter how long or short of a time she has.
 

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Pardon may lack of knowledge, what is a GDR?

Many puppys show a light murmur when they are small which resolves on it's own, and if not they are still wonderful companions.

Go for it!
 

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I spent the $$$ for an ultrasound.
Piper started out with a level 5 pulmonic stenosis heart murmer which is now a level 2.
It's the aoertic version that is the bad one.
But still...like my best friend told me, she still needs a loving home, no matter how long or short of a time she has.
A very wise friend !!!:yes::yes::yes::appl::appl::appl:
 

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Murmurs in pups is not unusual and quite often clear themselves. How old is this pup? The fact the breeders do not do heart clearances is a very bad sign. There could be generations of bad hearts behind this pup and it may very well not clear on it's own. And on who's scale is it a grade 1? Their normal vet or a specialist? As I said some puppy murmurs do clear themselves, others do not clear but do noot affect quality of life and then there are those that it does and in those cases it costs the pups their lives and their families tremendous pain and hardship. I agree that all pups deserve a loving and caring family - but at what and whose cost? My opinion - if you are having any doubts on this breeder/pup, walk away and don't look back. As hard as it is it is the breeder who should take on the responsibility and heart ache.
 

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Yes, as stated, the murmur might be innocent. But some heart problems may appear quite innocent without an ultrasound. You wouldn't know unless having that done. It could be SAS or mitral valve disease, you just don't know. I agree that it is a bad sign if there isn't a lot of heart checks in the pedigree, something could be lurking. But like said before, these dogs need homes too. But are you willing to open your heart up to possible heartbreak? If you do decide to get the puppy, I would spend the extra money and get the ultrasound done so you know what you are dealing with. Good luck with your decision.
 

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If all they check are hips, then they are at best a BYB. Anyone who is involved with the breed at all knows the clearances that are necessary -hips/elbows/hearts/annual eye checks. Either they are not knowledgeable and are breeding out of ignorance, or they know what they should do and are not doing it in order to save money or to hide something.

I have had puppies before with innocent puppy murmurs-by 16 weeks, they have outgrown them. In most cases, I have kept them a little longer than the traditional 8 weeks in order to get at least one more vet visit, to see if the murmur has changed at all.

Without heart checks, it is hard to know if it is most likely an innocent murmur or if it will prove to be more serious.

And not to have a picture of the puppy? I can't even imagine that!

I have to wonder if there may be more problems than just the heart lurking within this puppy. Do they at least have several generations of cleared hips? Where was the litter kept? Where is the puppy being kept now? I would want to see vet records on the parents and the litter, as well as for this puppy.
 

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For what it is worth here is my 2 cents...
I have a rescue that I had wanted for showing in obedience. I met him at his foster's and fell in LOVE with his happy, jolly personality. So much so that I didn't notice some abnormal gait problems at first. When I had him checked it was revealed he had had hip surgeries due to hip dysplasia. I still adopted him because he won over my heart. He earned his CD and RN titles and that is as far as he can go but he is a true gem with a personality to die for and fit wonderfully into my home.
BTW he also has a murmur and the echo revealed mild SAS and early cardiomyopathy at the age of 6.5 years old. He also has had cancer surgeries. He is about 9 years old now and I have no regrets!
Of course it is a little different when you are considering adopting a puppy that you have never met....
 

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My last golden boy Ryder had Mitral Valve Displasia.
Up until he was 9, we had no indication that there was anything wrong. Then he started coughing.
That's when we discovered that due to the MVD, his heart had enlarged to the point of putting pressure on his lungs when he was exerting himself.
We finally sent him to the bridge just past his 10th birthday.
If I knew what was ahead of us when we got him, would I have still brought him home - DEFINITELY!!! He was such a huge part of our family and we all still miss him dearly.

BUT..........after going through what we did with Ryder, before we ever decided on another pup, I researched breeders, I researched pedigrees and closely checked clearances. I know that it is by no means a guarantee, but I do believe it betters the chances of healthy pups, free of hereditary diseases.

I agree with Hank, heart clearances are so important. Like he said, if you are having any doubts, then maybe this is not the pup for you.
 

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I bought a puppy and both parents were healthy and no issues with their heart. When I took him for his first check up they found a very small heart murmur. I'm still worried and hope it goes away when he grows up but there is no way I can ever take him back for another puppy. The vet told me that once he is a year we would be able to know if the murmur went away or not. Good Luck in making your decision and keep us posted :)
The only way to truly know if there are no issues with the parent's hearts is if they were seen by a veterinary cardiologist, which would let you know if there is a physical problem. Obviously, there can still be a genetic problem carried by one or both parents that would not be known unless someone was tracking pedigrees, puppies and problems.

And no reputable breeder will make you return a puppy in order to make good on the warranty/contract. Making a buyer return a puppy who develops an issue is a ruse used by breeders who know full well that at least 90% of people would never return a puppy they have fallen in love with. It's a way for them to say they have a warranty but to rarely have to honor the warranty/contract.

Hopefully, your puppy just has a puppy murmur, and will grow out of it-or at least not have it progress to anything serious. If it is a slight murmur and doesn't progress, you should be fine.
 

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Are you buying this puppy from over the internet or craig's list? Sounds like the breeder is not close enough to visit?
 
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