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What style of Golden am I?

  • American Field/Hunting Lines

    Votes: 2 10.5%
  • American Obedience Lines

    Votes: 4 21.1%
  • American Show Lines

    Votes: 4 21.1%
  • American Therapy/Service Lines

    Votes: 2 10.5%
  • European Field/Hunting Lines

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • European Obedience Lines

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • European Show Lines

    Votes: 3 15.8%
  • European Therapy/Service Lines

    Votes: 1 5.3%
  • Blended Lines (first 3 generations)

    Votes: 3 15.8%
  • Randomly Bred

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I don't Know

    Votes: 1 5.3%

  • Total voters
    19
  • Poll closed .
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Discussion Starter #3 (Edited)
American Show lines is in the lead with 40%. Do you agree?

I would also be curious to read why you picked what you did. If you want to share, please do.

P.S. For those that know who this puppy is, please no spoiler comments but you are welcome to vote.
 

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I don't think there is any way to really tell from the pictures provided.

Something about the eyes (placement and shape) would probably make me hesitant to say this is an American show bred pup.
 

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I put in a vote to break the tie (american obedience lines) and it turns out I created a tie instead....
 

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american show lines, *typical* puppies, the 3 on the right are girls.
(Hope this photo doesn't mess up your poll??)
 

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oh, I want to change my choice to blended lines. I didn't read carefully. As usual.
 

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Discussion Starter #10 (Edited)
She acutually reminds me of my American show line girl Jinx. Shown close to the same age, just shy of 9 weeks.
Your American cuties look a little younger to me, like 7-8 weeks instead of 9-10 weeks.
 

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For fun and following up on Barb's post...

The attached pic would be an example of three 10 week old pups that were all or mostly American show lines. Not closely related. Two of them came from litters where I deliberately looked for something that would be close in "look" to the other boy.

Was interesting actually to see how typey they were actually.

Ha.

FWIW - this might be a red herring post because I do know the answer.
 

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Yes they were just a little shy of 7 weeks.

QUOTE=LJack;6785289]She acutually reminds me of my American show line girl Jinx. Shown close to the same age, just shy of 9 weeks.
Your American cuties look a little younger to me, like 7-8 weeks instead of 9-10 weeks.[/QUOTE]
 

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I kind of copped out by saying blended lines! Her eyes are more round than you typically find in most "American" lines, yet she doesn't have a really Englishy face.
 

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It might be an informative thing for people who aren't experts on the breed to have a sticky with examples of each of the styles with pictures and pedigrees. Pictures of the dogs at the puppy, adolescent and mature stages would be helpful. To avoid disagreement about how typical particular dogs might be, perhaps the examples could be recognized examples, "the top of the game", of each category. Examples of male and female might be good.

Even though I've been interested in the breed for sometime, I can imagine a typical American or European show dog or typical American Field/Hunting dog but not necessarily the other categories listed. While certain breeders of successful obedience dogs may have a certain look, I don't know that it's true of obedience dogs overall. Having some familiarity with therapy dogs, I'm also not sure that there is an identifiable look for therapy/service dogs.
 

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Those are great points Z.

Ultimately though I am not looking to court only expert opinions. Everyone brings their personal experiences and exposures to the table with this game.

I am also looking to challenge everyone to realize there is more common in the styles than many think. Also, that one particular trait does not necessarily belong solely to one style. You can see this in my last one where I posted a very typical American puppy who happened to be very light. Ultimately the American show line did win but it was not a landslide. Sure there are a set of traits that make a style but not just one.

Then if I start trying to define a style, it is somewhat subjective and I would influence people based on the photos I choose. Even in the American show lines there are smaller sub-styles. There can be a noticeable difference in the dogs on either coast as an example. That happens in all styles.

I promise I am not grading this.:wink2:
I am glad it is creating some thought and discussion.
 

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She reminds me of puppies that a friend on this forum regularly breeds. Her lines originated in Europe. The eyes, top of head, and ear set is what makes me think of that. She has brought Australian lines into her kennel now too. The eye color, pigment around the eye, and fur color reminds me of Euro puppies. That's why I voted Euro show lines.
 

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When I look at the show results in the GR News, I am always surprised at how much difference there is between what wins on the East Coast vs. what wins in the Midwest, vs. what wins on the West Coast. Also the "typical" grooming is somewhat different.


Those are great points Z.

Ultimately though I am not looking to court only expert opinions. Everyone brings their personal experiences and exposures to the table with this game.

I am also looking to challenge everyone to realize there is more common in the styles than many think. Also, that one particular trait does not necessarily belong solely to one style. You can see this in my last one where I posted a very typical American puppy who happened to be very light. Ultimately the American show line did win but it was not a landslide. Sure there are a set of traits that make a style but not just one.

Then if I start trying to define a style, it is somewhat subjective and I would influence people based on the photos I choose. Even in the American show lines there are smaller sub-styles. There can be a noticeable difference in the dogs on either coast as an example. That happens in all styles.

I promise I am not grading this.:wink2:
I am glad it is creating some thought and discussion.
 

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There is also a wide variety within dogs that do a certain thing. I am working at a Rally and Obedience trial this weekend and the variety in the looks of an "obedience" Golden covers the whole range of Golden styles. There are breed and obedience champions that are from show lines and obedience champions that are from straight field lines. Different very well know "obedience" lines also have different looks depending on the preferences of their breeder.
 
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