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My poor Toby, like a lot of older goldens (he'll be 12 in Jan., and he's an oversized, although thin, golden) is having problems with his back legs.
Has anyone taken their senior golden with back end problems to a neurologist to see if there's anything else they can offer that the regular vet and chiropractor cannot?
If so, what were the results?
I want do everything possible for him, other than his back legs he feels great and plays like a youngster (once I help him up on the slippery tile floors!)
 

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I dont have any answers for you but I hope that the neurologist can help Toby. My Beau's back end problems were caused from his seizures and the pheno. It is so hard to see them get old.
 

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Sorry, poor Toby. My Sam was over-sized, though thin, and had a progressive neurological condition that caused weakness is his back end also. He too had seizures and was on pheno but I was told the condition was neurological. I didn't take him to a neurologist after the Vet diagnosed him, as he was in pretty good condition, just the occasional toe drag. He also had arthritis in his hips, which is what I thought the toe dragging was a sign of. Sam also had a hoarseness/occasional cough which I was told was also a sign of the neurological condition which could lead to his throat becoming paralyzed. I thought about surgery for his throat by he was so old I didn't want to put him through that...and it was not a guaranteed fix. Sam lived for a year and half with his neuro condition without much progression at all, I used a harness on bad days but fortunately, they were few. When Sam did pass though, it was a from an ME which was caused by the neuro condition. One day he was fine and the next he was most obviously not, he could not walk straight and was very weak. I went immediately to the Vet who diagnosed pneumonia and chest xrays showed he also had a tumor in his chest...no outward signs of cancer or pain from this, Thank Goodness! He did not have any signs that something was going on. On Thursday he was great..he'd even been acting perkier in recent months...on Friday he was quiet and by Friday afternoon I knew something was wrong and took him to the Vet.


I hope this hasn't frightened you...just wanted to relay my experience with this condition. Sam had other issues going on too, seizures and the as yet undiagnosed tumor. Hugs to you and Toby.
 

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Thanks. Toby has a calcified disk in his lower spine, and I think it's causing the biggest part of his problems, which is why we go to the chiro.
He's been getting slowly weaker for over 2 years, so I don't really think that it's something progressive other than old age (fingers crossed).
If it will help him, I'd be glad to take him. But I don't want to throw money away for nothing, either.
 

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I am so sorry to hear Toby is having problems.

Really have no advice-just want you to know I care.

Karen

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I have no experience with Toby's exact problem but accupunture helped my Rowdy a lot ...
 

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It is hard seeing them fail even slightly, isn't it?

I guess my suggestion is if he's not on an anti inflam i.e. meticam or rimadyl or something of that order, that might would be an option. They are hard on their kidneys eventually, but at this point as long as it makes his quality of life better - what the hey! Also, I would suggest putting rugs down everywhere. When Duke had his knee surgery we started doing that and as he's gotten older (realizing that 8 really isn't that old, he does have some issues) I'm glad we kept them down. And, a very soft bed.

Other than those suggestions, I'm not sure what else to tell you. Acupuncture is also an option for more comfort. Good luck with your boy and I hope you find something or a combination of somethings that help.
 

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Barb, I took Cody to a CSU neurologist at age ten, when he was dragging a bit and occasionally crossing his hind legs. He was diagnosed with degenerative myelopathy, which is an incurable neurological disease sort of like human MS. He was on lots of Vitamin E as a result, and he had a doggie wheelchair, but he never did become paralyzed. Since Toby isn't even 12 yet, I'd personally vote for a neuro visit, if for nothing else than to have the vet say "this is simply the progression of old age" and not something you have to fret about medically. Give the old boy a smooch from me, would you please? Here is a picture of my Cody's brother Toby at age sixteen.
 

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thanks for the replies everyone!
I'm thinking there's no harm (other than financial) in having him checked out.
My own neuromuscular specialist said that small doses of mestinon might help a dog with DM, on an experimental basis, so if that were the diagnosis then maybe we could see if it helped him.
Interestingly, fish oil has helped him more than anything else. He is on one rimadyl per day, which also helps.
 

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Sorry to hear about Toby's problem, I cant really help but Jade has back end issues due to arthritis in her spine but since she has been on Metacam she has been a different girl and can even run when the mind takes her so perhaps that might be an option for Toby.
It is so hard seeing them get older I hope that you find a solution for Toby's condition.
 

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I guess that's the reason I even thought about the neurologist...Toby has "very little arthritis" according to recent xrays, in either his spine or his hips. The only thing they did find is the calcified disk.
But the rimadyl does seem to help him, so pain must be a factor, too.
Yes, it's so sad to see them get old.
 

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Hi Barb!

You know my guy's history so here are the options I am considering.
(This if for anyone who doesn't know about Toby's alter-ego, Copper). I am afraid to try fish oil or rimadyl or deramaxx due to his pancreatitis issues so am looking for another way to help him with his arthrititis and muscle weakness issues.

I am going to get Glycoflex III (a chondriotin/glucosamine supplement)based on a friend's recommendation and the good reviews on here. I don't believe it will hurt and hopefully it will help.

Jealous1 has recommended I try Duralactin (I think) which is a natural anti-inflammatory. I am going to print that information and take it with me to his specialist next week. He is going to the oncologist for his chest lump - not cancer and hopefully finally cured, but I'm not certain and he needs rechecked. He also has an internal specialist there who is very familiar with him and his issues and I am going to get her recommendations as well.

They have at this point recommended Tramadol for pain since he has taken that before and handled it well. He does take a low dose aspirin once or twice a day depending on how he is feeling (the vet okayed this dose).
I am hoping for something to help with the inflammation, but will settle for just pain control if that is all that is available.

Copper has much the same symptoms as Toby - mostly on his left side. His x-rays do show spondylosis and he injured his left hind leg this summer and it is very slow at getting better. He has good days and bad days and I want to maximize his good days if possible. Seeing him have problems is so much worse than if it is me!!!!!!!

I will of course share any and all information I get.
Give Toby a hug and smooch for me.
 

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I am always so tickled (and in a way misty eyed) at how Toby and Copper are alter-egos! It's simply amazing!
 

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Now if we can get their karma synced and get them both doing better!

Duralactin is available at Petco and I am going to go by there after work and pick some up. It is a milk based supplement so should be okay for him which is why I decided to start it now. I will order the Glycoflex III and start it next week once I am sure all is well with the Duralactin.

Copper does have some spondylosis (based on his too frequent x-rays for other issues), but I really think a large part of the problem was from his falling on the deck this summer once my husband restained it. He never completely recovered from that. My (gonna be ex) vet said his knee seemed fine etc. and the specialists think his weakness if from arthritis too, but I think the leg is part of the problem.

He has trouble getting up (and tile floors are wicked for him!), muscle wastage in the rear and problems mainly with his left hind leg. He uses his chest and front legs at least 75% to get up and doesn't seem to put much weight on the rear until he is standing.

Poor fella - it's a good think he just doesn't let anythng get him down. He is happy, but I really want his quality of life to improve if possible.

Then again, I am preaching to the choir.
 

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I am thinking I need to design a rear end harness for Toby, unless someone already knows of a good one? I want one that can stay on him, like a collar. I'm picturing a figure-8 type deal around his back legs and over his rump, so that I can grab it from above and help him on the slippery floors.
Does anyone know of one like that? The whole point would be for it to be something that I can leave on him.
 

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I think there is an "EZ up harness that is for the hind end. I have always used the belly harnesses because I have girls. They do make some that they can be strapped into. Have either of you tried or thought of trying Adaquan injections? They are very few side effects (It's just one giant Glucosime molecule is my understanding). Many people can give it themselves. I have had it work wonders on several of my Goldens. I can't say enough good things about Glycoflex III, but make sure you give it at least 3 months. I keep both of my girls on the loading dose. Finally I do have an Eddie's Wheels cart that I have shared with many forum members. It is about $40.00 to ship ground. I would need to know some info (weight, measurements) on your dogs to know if it would work. I am more than happy to lend it out. It was built for a girl but every other dog that has used it has been a boy.Once you get to the point of quality of life, there are steroids. They gave our girl 6 more really great months, but did kill her in the end. Good luck with your boys !!!
 

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Thanks for the info., I"ll look up the EZ up harness.
I have pursued adequan injections, but since his problem doesn't seem to be arthritis the vet doesn't feel they'll be of much help.
And of course (being a dog without a spleen), nothing can be easy. He can't take steroids, because with no spleen he fights demodex mange and you can't give dogs with demodex steroids.
Sigh.
But I will take a look at the harness, maybe it's just what I need. Once he's up, he's just fine!

I think there is an "EZ up harness that is for the hind end. I have always used the belly harnesses because I have girls. They do make some that they can be strapped into. Have either of you tried or thought of trying Adaquan injections? They are very few side effects (It's just one giant Glucosime molecule is my understanding). Many people can give it themselves. I have had it work wonders on several of my Goldens. I can't say enough good things about Glycoflex III, but make sure you give it at least 3 months. I keep both of my girls on the loading dose. Finally I do have an Eddie's Wheels cart that I have shared with many forum members. It is about $40.00 to ship ground. I would need to know some info (weight, measurements) on your dogs to know if it would work. I am more than happy to lend it out. It was built for a girl but every other dog that has used it has been a boy.Once you get to the point of quality of life, there are steroids. They gave our girl 6 more really great months, but did kill her in the end. Good luck with your boys !!!
 

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I happily drove 15 miles out of my way to get Copper some Duralactin and I was just soooooo giddy. They don't have it in the store - only online. I'll order some tomorrow. Sigh.

I wish I had read about the harness before I went to Petco and PetSmart - they have harnesses, but I didn't look at them closely.

I've never heard of adequan, but will check into that next week when he goes to the specialist.

Ditto to no steroids for Copper - he has no spleen and has had pancreatitis so his treatment options are limited too. It causes problems, but he wouldn't be here now if we hadn't found his splenic tumors by accident and been encouraged by Hotel4dogs to go with the splenectomy. Big grins.:p:;):)
 

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