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Hello all!

I have spent some time going through the stickies, familiarizing myself with OFA clearances, and taking a look at different breeders in my area (Utah).
I have some concerns about the breeders I was considering and just wanted to make sure I am on the right track here.

The first breeder I was initially interested in was Red Canyon Retrievers.
This is actually just the first one I found through a google search. As I started doing my research into what I should be looking for, I felt the fact that they dont let people visit the puppies was a red flag (their reasoning is that the mothers get defensive of their new puppies, which also seems like a red flag). Of their Sires, only a couple have OFA clearances.


Next, I moved onto Windmill Farms Golden Retrievers, this looked promising. However, they do not have heart clearances listed (maybe this is something I could call and ask) but my real concern here is that these are specifically bred for hunting. I am not a hunter and fear I would not be able to meet the needs of this pro hunting dog (maybe Im too worried about this for nothing? Would love to hear someone else's thoughts).


Next, I looked at Golden Havoc Kennels Specifially at the Luna x Gaston littler. Luna's info (listed here: Advanced Search | Orthopedic Foundation for Animals | Columbia, MO). As I understand it, she has the 'Normal - Practioner' listed under her heart clearance. Someone told me on here that is not recommended. The Sire, Gaston (info here: Pedigree: CH Golden Havoc Awe And Inspire) looks good? I really am not sure, but from what I understand he looks good. My other issue is that these puppies are $3500. Now, I seriously do not mind paying a premium for good, quality bred puppies, but I just want to make sure I am not getting scammed. One thing that came up as a flag for me in their health guarantee/contract was this:

1. Purchaser has seventy-two (72) hours from the date of purchase in which to have a veterinarian examine the pup for health problems. If Seller does not hear from Purchaser within that period, it will be assumed that the Purchaser is satisfied and that the pup is in good health. If there is a problem that cannot be rectified, Purchaser may return the puppy to the Seller on the day following the examination, with a veterinarian’s statement, for a full refund of the purchase price of the pup. After 72 hours, Purchaser assumes all responsibility and liability for any genetic or other medical conditions except those described below.


(they then go on to state they cover hip/elbow dysplasia for 26 months, eye disorders for 24 months, and they go on to mention this is all void if I overfeed my puppy, or jog with him before 2 years old)


(For reference their health guarantee/contract info is here: Info)


Lastly, Soaring Goldens they have their health clearances listed on their website, however I couldnt find any info on how to look them up on OFA.

If I could get anyones thoughts that would be great. OR if anyone has recommendations for the Utah area that would great too. Utah/Surrounding states is also fine. I dont mind making the drive to CO, Nevada, ID, etc. if I need to (Although admitedly something closer to me would be ideal)

Thanks for everyones help! I am so sorry this is such a long post, but I just want to make sure I choose a responsible, quality breeder, and dont bring a golden into this world with serious health concerns.

Thank you again!
 

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Misty- https://www.ofa.org/advanced-search?f=sr&appnum=2103570 heart is inadequate for a Golden. No hips - website states there is PH in place, but it's puzzling to me when breeders use both PH and OFA for hips.
OFA is on Lily-https://www.ofa.org/advanced-search?f=sr&appnum=1882944 - who also has an inadequate cardiac and whose dam has no OFA record. Her sire has no elbow clearance, which typically means it failed.
Jezzy- also has OFA instead of PH- https://www.ofa.org/advanced-search?f=sr&appnum=2126407 inadequate heart.
Jinx is being leased so her reg name isn't on the site.
Journey- another OFA- https://www.ofa.org/advanced-search?f=sr&appnum=2132503 inadequate heart, sire w no OFA page.

I think this is enough to indicate we'd probably find same (useless heart checks) on the rest of the many girls there. I didn't look at the boys.
 

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Misty- https://www.ofa.org/advanced-search?f=sr&appnum=2103570 heart is inadequate for a Golden. No hips - website states there is PH in place, but it's puzzling to me when breeders use both PH and OFA for hips.
OFA is on Lily-https://www.ofa.org/advanced-search?f=sr&appnum=1882944 - who also has an inadequate cardiac and whose dam has no OFA record. Her sire has no elbow clearance, which typically means it failed.
Jezzy- also has OFA instead of PH- https://www.ofa.org/advanced-search?f=sr&appnum=2126407 inadequate heart.
Jinx is being leased so her reg name isn't on the site.
Journey- another OFA- https://www.ofa.org/advanced-search?f=sr&appnum=2132503 inadequate heart, sire w no OFA page.

I think this is enough to indicate we'd probably find same (useless heart checks) on the rest of the many girls there. I didn't look at the boys.
Thank you so much for your reply! This is so disappointing...It's quite discouraging to be looking for breeders here in Utah...
 

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Hello all!

I have spent some time going through the stickies, familiarizing myself with OFA clearances, and taking a look at different breeders in my area (Utah).
I have some concerns about the breeders I was considering and just wanted to make sure I am on the right track here.

The first breeder I was initially interested in was Red Canyon Retrievers.
This is actually just the first one I found through a google search. As I started doing my research into what I should be looking for, I felt the fact that they dont let people visit the puppies was a red flag (their reasoning is that the mothers get defensive of their new puppies, which also seems like a red flag). Of their Sires, only a couple have OFA clearances.


Next, I moved onto Windmill Farms Golden Retrievers, this looked promising. However, they do not have heart clearances listed (maybe this is something I could call and ask) but my real concern here is that these are specifically bred for hunting. I am not a hunter and fear I would not be able to meet the needs of this pro hunting dog (maybe Im too worried about this for nothing? Would love to hear someone else's thoughts).


Next, I looked at Golden Havoc Kennels Specifially at the Luna x Gaston littler. Luna's info (listed here: Advanced Search | Orthopedic Foundation for Animals | Columbia, MO). As I understand it, she has the 'Normal - Practioner' listed under her heart clearance. Someone told me on here that is not recommended. The Sire, Gaston (info here: Pedigree: CH Golden Havoc Awe And Inspire) looks good? I really am not sure, but from what I understand he looks good. My other issue is that these puppies are $3500. Now, I seriously do not mind paying a premium for good, quality bred puppies, but I just want to make sure I am not getting scammed. One thing that came up as a flag for me in their health guarantee/contract was this:

1. Purchaser has seventy-two (72) hours from the date of purchase in which to have a veterinarian examine the pup for health problems. If Seller does not hear from Purchaser within that period, it will be assumed that the Purchaser is satisfied and that the pup is in good health. If there is a problem that cannot be rectified, Purchaser may return the puppy to the Seller on the day following the examination, with a veterinarian’s statement, for a full refund of the purchase price of the pup. After 72 hours, Purchaser assumes all responsibility and liability for any genetic or other medical conditions except those described below.


(they then go on to state they cover hip/elbow dysplasia for 26 months, eye disorders for 24 months, and they go on to mention this is all void if I overfeed my puppy, or jog with him before 2 years old)


(For reference their health guarantee/contract info is here: Info)


Lastly, Soaring Goldens they have their health clearances listed on their website, however I couldnt find any info on how to look them up on OFA.

If I could get anyones thoughts that would be great. OR if anyone has recommendations for the Utah area that would great too. Utah/Surrounding states is also fine. I dont mind making the drive to CO, Nevada, ID, etc. if I need to (Although admitedly something closer to me would be ideal)

Thanks for everyones help! I am so sorry this is such a long post, but I just want to make sure I choose a responsible, quality breeder, and dont bring a golden into this world with serious health concerns.

Thank you again!
I’ve actually spoken with the Soaring Goldens breeder, late last year I think. I pointed out that she should be getting cardiologists clearances on her dogs, not practitioner which all of hers have. She was aware of the distinction but said she couldn’t find a cardiologist anywhere in Utah, the closest she knew of was one in California, and she was aware another Utah breeder she knew would drive out there to have her dogs checked, but she couldn’t make the trip because she was pregnant.

I think her first golden was only maybe 6? But she already had like 10 dogs I think last year, including a few puppies/adolescents, and one dog that wasn’t hers but a friend lets her breed it. So, quite the growing operation there...
 

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I’ve actually spoken with the Soaring Goldens breeder, late last year I think. I pointed out that she should be getting cardiologists clearances on her dogs, not practitioner which all of hers have. She was aware of the distinction but said she couldn’t find a cardiologist anywhere in Utah, the closest she knew of was one in California, and she was aware another Utah breeder she knew would drive out there to have her dogs checked, but she couldn’t make the trip because she was pregnant.
Ummm...no veterinary cardiologists in Utah? Is she off-grid? No Internet? Maybe she needs some help with her Google-Fu? 😅
 

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I’ve actually spoken with the Soaring Goldens breeder, late last year I think. I pointed out that she should be getting cardiologists clearances on her dogs, not practitioner which all of hers have. She was aware of the distinction but said she couldn’t find a cardiologist anywhere in Utah, the closest she knew of was one in California, and she was aware another Utah breeder she knew would drive out there to have her dogs checked, but she couldn’t make the trip because she was pregnant.

I think her first golden was only maybe 6? But she already had like 10 dogs I think last year, including a few puppies/adolescents, and one dog that wasn’t hers but a friend lets her breed it. So, quite the growing operation there...
I am not super familiar with how many puppies is a lot.. I am going to go ahead and guess though that that is too many? From their website, her first Golden is now retired.
Overall, I am really bummed at how hard it is to find a good breeder. Finding a home was easier.
 

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I am not super familiar with how many puppies is a lot.. I am going to go ahead and guess though that that is too many? From their website, her first Golden is now retired.
Overall, I am really bummed at how hard it is to find a good breeder. Finding a home was easier.
I don’t think there’s any hard and fast rule about how many dogs is too many, I’ve stayed with a breeder who had I think 9 dogs at the time, ranging from about 6 months to a couple very senior ladies and they were a very happy pack. However she didn’t have any children and I think was already retired at that point, and was a very experienced dog owner and breeder, so very capable. To me it is a red flag to get so many dogs within just a few years, when you are a new breeder and even a new golden owner in general. It says on the Soaring Goldens website that Arial (born in 2014) is her first golden. I just checked the website, she now has 16 more dogs, 8 of whom were born in 2020.
 

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I don’t think there’s any hard and fast rule about how many dogs is too many, I’ve stayed with a breeder who had I think 9 dogs at the time, ranging from about 6 months to a couple very senior ladies and they were a very happy pack. However she didn’t have any children and I think was already retired at that point, and was a very experienced dog owner and breeder, so very capable. To me it is a red flag to get so many dogs within just a few years, when you are a new breeder and even a new golden owner in general. It says on the Soaring Goldens website that Arial (born in 2014) is her first golden. I just checked the website, she now has 16 more dogs, 8 of whom were born in 2020.
Thanks for the info. Just to be clear, do you think I should pass on Soaring Golden? That's what I am thinking.
 

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I sent someone else (or maybe her- don't remember) a while ago a list of cardiologists in UT- whoever it was also was claiming no cardiologists in UT.
 
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