[Prism Goldens]

While you are a great researcher and writer, most people are not. They do not see the nuance on OFA or know the dogs involved ... I'll always research for anyone, as will most people here ...dk what to do about making that more obvious, the mods might can take care of the sticky problem?

 

[puddles everywhere]

hkjohnson13 It makes me happy that you are thrilled with your pups. The standard the breeders on the GRF are using is set by the Golden Retriever Club of America to define what is an ethical breeder, it's not personal. No one is throwing stones, just working hard to meet those standards and expressing the desire to see all GR breeders to follow the same code... to meet the standard.
Please remember this is a public forum and the GRF is about learning. If you have ever had a dog with hip dysplasia and spent thousands of dollars for a hip replacements you want to help people to learn the best way to avoid this. If you have had a pup that suddenly died from SAS (heart condition) you want to help people to avoid having to go through this heartache. You may not find it important to have these clearances posted to OFA but not filing these test results can lead to so many problems. I for one researched breeders, found one that had OFA clearances ... well I quit looking at 1900. But the eye test were out of date on OFA. The breeder showed me the test saying it had been done but not filed... both showed to be normal. Truth is the sire can't get a passing score on an eye exam, cataracts & distichiasis. The dam has uveal cyst... something that can possibly develop into PU causing blindness. I purchased this pup to do obedience work. She is fabulous in every way and would have been a wonderful show prospect for both conformation and obedience, except for the eyes. I knew early on the draining left eye was an issue when I brought her home. At 15 months I drove 3 hrs to a optomologist clinic to have her eyes checked. She failed the exam. My precious girl has distichiasis, cataracts, uveal cyst and geographic retinal dysplasia in that left eye. Her vision is distorted so she cannot see the jumps for obedience... shoot she can't follow a ball when we throw it, she has to listen for it to hit the ground then sniff it out to retrieve. So while you may not care about ethical breeding, lots of people do. The only way for people to learn about what an ethical breeder does is by coming to places like the GRF.
If you look at it from a pragmatic view... if you are paying a nominal fee for a puppy, why would you want to pay the same amount to get a puppy from a breeder that doesn't meet the GRCA standard. Why not use those dollars to support the breeders that do?
As far as your pups have you ever seen a cardiologist? Ever taken them to have the eyes examined? Had an orthopedic vet xray the hips/elbows? I would hope all these test would be acceptable but before you stubborn yourself to death defending your breeder, have these things tested... then come back and say your pups are healthy.

 

[MavriksWorld]

Yes, thank you for proving my point that neither of these dogs have full and verifiable health certifications. The mom did at one point. That shows us the the breeder knows how to get full certifications and has access to appropriate veterinary specialists but on all of their dogs (that I have found as of this post) fail to have full and verifiable health certifications.

There is no good reason for a breeder where this is clearly a Family income source to not pay the $15 recording fee for heart certification or the $12 for the first eye certification and $8 for each additional year certifications. Not saying this is the case but the exam forms are not the certification for a reason. They can and have been altered or produced as complete counterfeits. Sending in to OFA stops that possibility as OFA can compare the research copy send directly from the vet with what ever the breeder is sending to determine if it is a true and accurate copy and from there issues the actual certification.

This is nothing against your personal dog which sounds like they have done wonderfully in your family.

All this is, is taking this breeder and applying the standards for ethical breeding in regards to health certification. When that is done, this breeder fails repeatedly. If you are happy to continue to support these practice, that is your decision to make. These threads are read by a bunch of lurkers though and they deserve to know that if they are looking for a breeder that is meeting the minimum health standards for responsible breeding, this is not a good fit for them.

Honestly, it would be so much easier if they would just do what they know they should. The fact they don’t will always result in the facts of their program being discussed.

Female with expired eye certification that shows they know how to get full certification -

https://www.ofa.org/advanced-search?f=sr&appnum=1797214

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Their popular stud dog missing Heart and Eye certifications. Also has no offspring with full certifications including as of today three that are missing a hip or an elbow certification and three that have neither hip or elbow certifications. This means they were never tested or failed due to dysplasia.

https://www.ofa.org/advanced-search?f=sr&appnum=1797214

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Hi LJack, I created an account simply to thank you and the other knowledgeable people on this forum for further reassurance that I made the right decision on forfeiting my deposit with LCG (recently changed their name to Tsillan Goldens). I knew I felt some serious red flags but I couldn’t figure out exactly what they were.

 

[Prism Goldens]

I'm starting to think this kennel name changing is in an effort to avoid something...

So Hammon Goldens, Lake Chelan Goldens, then Legacy Champion Goldens and now Tsillan Golden...

 

[bunchofbs]

I'm sad to have had a very negative experience with Legacy Champion Goldens. They were unreasonable and frankly greedy regarding my deposit. As a business owner, I fully understand the need to have a no deposit refund policy when holding a puppy for someone-- it would be unfair to lose other customers when someone had a puppy reserved and then changed their mind. In this case, that's not what happened. I'm the first to admit that I jumped the gun putting a deposit down for a puppy before my application was even accepted. These are stressful times, and there are many owners having so much time to train a puppy now because of COVID and fewer breeders breeding.
So, like a house hunter during a seller's market, I unwisely put my application in, then a day later put a deposit down before knowing the application was even accepted. I was nervous doing this, and asked for a reply as soon as possible since I had questions. After four days of waiting to hear if my application was accepted, and not getting any response at all about anything, I was nervous enough to withdraw my application. Yes, they say on their applications that deposits are not refundable, but I hadn't even been accepted yet or told they were holding a puppy for me. I reasoned that if they weren't willing to give me a refund when they hadn't accepted my application, or even told me they were holding a puppy for me then I wouldn't want to work with them anyway. Buying a puppy is such an important decision that requires trust (in both directions).

Unfortunately, they not only told me that they wouldn't refund my deposit but also called me fraudulent in saying I didn't receive an item for my payment (a puppy hold) and that I was being an extortionist for giving them the heads up that I felt I needed to share this experience on yelp. Legacy Goldens is out no money and no time working with me. Customers should understand their rights -- just writing "No refund" does not give a company cart blanche in any circumstance. The legal advice I found: "Generally, consumers have a right to a refund when there is a major problem with something they bought. Stores cannot take away this right by claiming they have a 'no refund' policy or displaying a 'no refund' sign. This also applies to an online store's refunds and returns policy."

In any case, I'm very happy I'm not going to get a puppy from them, even if it's a $650 mistake.

I'm starting to think this kennel name changing is in an effort to avoid something...

So Hammon Goldens, Lake Chelan Goldens, then Legacy Champion Goldens and now Tsillan Golden...

Exactly......they will have to name change again and again.

 

[bunchofbs]

I love when the karma train comes by to such deserving people

 

[Prism Goldens]

Regardless of the support these puppy people have supplied, none of them were able to supply correct clearances on the parents of their puppies. I'm glad they are healthy today and hope they stay that way but the record (inadequate though it is) stands for itself and these are risky pedigrees. Those of us who love this breed and will continue to educate buyers on what it is they are not seeing here will always shake our heads at the inadequate knowledge that lets the puppy people who support this sort of breeder keep supporting them. And I expect that new kennel name will change again any day now. It's kinda funny she thinks it will make a difference in her reputation- it won't. Good breeders wouldn't change their name for the world because their reputation is tied to it. Which basically says it all about why she keeps changing hers.

 

[Sushihog72]

I stumbled across this post as I was searching to find my dog’s breeder. Just wanted to associate this breeders third name change with this posting. They’re now called Tsillan golden retrievers. The fact they have changed the name 3 times should be a red flag. Poor dogs ☹

I know of a breeder that is pretty unethical. They breed sick dogs and are away that the puppies they are giving away are predisposed to having major GI issues. Their website only lists a few dogs, but I know they have upwards of 15 breeding dogs. I'm pretty sure they lie about a lot of their clearances. They charge a fortune for their pups and are basically con artists, scamming individuals who think they're getting a great little puppy. They also give away breeding rights really easily, so now many of the dogs in Washington state have these "tainted" lines... and they stud out their sire that has tainted lines, so even people who aren't breeding their puppies are still breeding bad lines.

Breeders are supposed to preserve and better the breed, and they clearly are not. There is only so much research someone can do on their own while searching for a pup, and this breeder puts on a good show... at some point, you have to assume the people you're talking with are telling you the truth.

But what can I do?

 

[Prism Goldens]

I stumbled across this post as I was searching to find my dog’s breeder. Just wanted to associate this breeders third name change with this posting. They’re now called Tsillan golden retrievers. The fact they have changed the name 3 times should be a red flag. Poor dogs ☹

For all the puppy seekers out there, it is good to know that no matter what name- Tsillan Goldens, Lake Chelan Goldens, Legacy Champion Golden Retrievers, or Hammon Goldens- this thread is coming up on a google search. Puppy seekers have a difficult time navigating clearances and someone here will always help.

 

[MavriksWorld]

Hi LJack, I created an account simply to thank you and the other knowledgeable people on this forum for further reassurance that I made the right decision on forfeiting my deposit with LCG (recently changed their name to Tsillan Goldens). I knew I felt some serious red flags but I couldn’t figure out exactly what they were.

Puppy seekers! PLEASE READ.
I had a deposit with Tsillan Goldens ($750) I was weeks away from getting a puppy and I found this thread…. I trusted my gut and @Prism Goldens and @LJack and forfeited my deposit with her one week before I was supposed to get my Tsillan puppy. I started my search and paid thousands more for a healthy puppy from an ethical responsible breeder. My 13 month old boy has been competing successfully in AKC conformation and has passed his OFA prelims, and has a phenomenal temperament. I have also had phenomenal mentorship from my breeder since he came home. STAY AWAY FROM MEGAN HAMMON!! There are ethical breeders out there and it it’s SO WORTH IT to get a healthy, structurally and temperamentally sound dog.

 

[MavriksWorld]

This came up on the Golden Retrievers of Washington Facebook group and I think it’s important to get this info out there.

 

[DblTrblGolden2]

This came up on the Golden Retrievers of Washington Facebook group and I think it’s important to get this info out there.

If you can contact this person through Facebook you should have them do a K9Data page for their dog. It will help future puppy buyers.

 

[MavriksWorld]

If you can contact this person through Facebook you should have them do a K9Data page for their dog. It will help future puppy buyers.

I let her know!