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Okay, my vet in September was harrassing me to update his vaccines. This isnt the vet helping me with his gut issues this is the vet I saw for his eyes (because he was in the same city). She/he as its a two vet practice and either one I see tried to tell me we need to update his vaccines because hes 2 years due on his DHLPP and going to be over due in December on his rabies. Here is why I do not want to vaccinate ever again

-The last few times he received a vaccine he reacted to it. He lost all his hair, got a nasty sore where it was injected, had behavoiral changes such as sudden aggression towards me which stopped over time

- He has SEVERE allergies, like NOTHING stops this dog from scratching/licking

- He had Pannus which is an immune mediated eye disease (basically his immune system is attacking his eyes)

The above two compromise his immune system. When I told my vet the reactions hes had in the past they blew it off as allergies and told me dogs do not react to vaccines as often as people think. The vet told me that the eye ointment called Optimmune that hes on only suppressed the immune system locally (the eyes) when I dont believe that to be true as anything you put on your skin, in your eyes, in your mouth is absorbed into you blood stream. If that wasnt the case then why do they claim Revolution to absorb through the skin.

I brought up my concerns and the female vet I spoke to basically shrugged them off and said we will discuss this again in December when your in for a re check for his eyes. She tried to convince me to do the $250 titer test and I dont feel the need to. Regardless of what the titer would show I am not planning to vaccinate him. I asked for a medical waiver (which is accepted in my city) and she said unless I allow her to test other brands of the vaccines to make sure there isnt one out there he will not react to then she doesnt want to write it.

He was vaccinated at the proper puppy intervals and then boostered a year later. The last time he received a booster/rabies was in January 2009.

I feel he was vaccinated enough times in his life to have aquired the immunity needed. Now my questions are..

-How do I politely tell her that his vaccine status is not up for discussion regardless? without being rude..

- Can anyone on here give me links that state plain and simple that immune compromised dogs should not receive vaccines?

The only down side to this is if he ever needs surgery the vets will refuse to perform it unless hes vaccinated just before surgery (which IMO is dumb because hes not diseased).
 

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Is this your shepherd? Is he under the care of an ophalmalogist for this?

Which drops are being used on him? I wondered if it is the same that other people here may be using for their dogs for other reasons.

Are his allergies under control (allergy shots, etc)?
 

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Is this your shepherd? Is he under the care of an ophalmalogist for this?

Which drops are being used on him? I wondered if it is the same that other people here may be using for their dogs for other reasons.

Are his allergies under control (allergy shots, etc)?

Hes under the care of my vet for his eyes because I couldnt afford to keep going back to the specialist. No allergy shots because I cannot afford them. I already said he is on Optimmune eye ointment. The ingredient in Optimmune is the same ingredient used in Atopica which is for allergies but to put him on Atopica the vet quoted me at $400 a month for a dog his size. The ONLY thing that controls his itching is prednisone and that almost killed him when he was on it so he will never be going on it again. Currently I am trying a different diet to rule out food allergies.
 

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From this site:

Vaccination Schedules for Dogs and Puppies

According to the American Veterinary Medical Association, dogs at low risk of disease exposure may not need to be boostered yearly for most diseases. Consult with your local veterinarian to determine the appropriate vaccination schedule for your dog. Remember, recommendations vary depending on the age, breed, and health status of the dog, the potential of the dog to be exposed to the disease, the type of vaccine, whether the dog is used for breeding, and the geographical area where the dog lives or may visit.

and even better:

The Best Part About the New Dog Vaccination Guidelines :

The absolute highlight is that all core vaccines with the exception of the 1-year rabies are now recommended at 3-year or greater intervals.

Even more exciting is the task force has acknowledged that in the case of the non-rabies core vaccines, immunity lasts at least 5 years for distemper and parvo, and at least 7 years for adenovirus.

Why not titer, and then vaccinate only if necessary? I know a Golden who was boostered at one year, is now 11, and has never required another vaccination.
 

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My vet will tell me that he is at risk for everything dispite the fact my city is virtually rabies free. She told me that a fox and cow were found to have rabies 40 minutes from here last year but under Ontario Law ANYONE who confirms a case of rabies must report to the Government and I checked and the fox or cow was NOT reported so I do not feel she was being truthful.

Rabies has been found to last 5-7 years as well according to the rabies challenge fund. Im just looking for things to bring in to use as back up so she doesnt think im just saying no to vaccines because I dont wish to pay for them. I feel with all his issues right now if we vaccinate him it will just make things worse.

Is there a way to search online what diseases are common in my area? I havent heard on the news about any out breaks.

Here is a link to the eye condition he has for those who do not know what it is Pannus (Chronic Superficial Keratitis) - Page 1

I do not think even if his titer showed no immunity I would vaccinate. I fear that once we pump all the crap thats in vaccines into his already compromised immune system that its just going to flare everything up and I really cannot afford anymore issues related to his reactions to the vaccines the last time he had them. Hes worse now, what happens if the next vaccines makes his throat swell...crap will hit the fan then

May I add that he just doesnt have the one form of Pannus he has both. The one on the cornea and the one on the third eye lid called Plamosa
 

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These vets sound like they have no idea what is going on. They really shouldn't shrug something off about vaccine reactions; they should be concerned and report them to the proper companies. I also don't know why they say that the titer costs that much; our titer is less than $100 (I think around $80?) to do that yearly. After Beamer's yearly shots next summer, I am going to start titering him on almost everything.
 

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Don't let your vet bully you into treatment you can't afford or don't feel is necessary, especially if you feel it'll harm your dog. In your shoes, I'd switch veterinarians. Find someone you are more comfortable with.
 

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Sadly all vets here are like that. My new vet doesnt want to vaccinate him right now but wants to in the future. I dont feel comfortable doing so. He will ALWAYS have a compromised immune system.

Sad story....my friends dog got hit by a car a few years ago. It wasnt up to date on its rabies and 4 vets in the area turned the dog away from surgery because they wanted to vaccinate the dog for everything while under so they could be "protected" from this obviously diseased dog because it was over due. She did eventually find a vet 3 hours away who did the surgery without updating the shots
 

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Don't let your vet bully you into treatment you can't afford or don't feel is necessary, especially if you feel it'll harm your dog. In your shoes, I'd switch veterinarians. Find someone you are more comfortable with.
What she said ! Also check out Dr. Jean Dodds at Hemopet, her titer tests are much cheaper than that. She also has a wonderful new allergy test out, only $55. I just had Rose done.
 

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After doing some more research on this test I am excited because I want to try it!

But it doesnt test Chicken which is his suspected allergin but ive read they are expanding what they test and I think I will wait until next year when they have it out then buy the kits and test. I inquired more in detail about the test and to see when they are hoping to have the new test kits ready for sale.
 

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I am vaccinated for rabies. Believe you me if I am every exposed, I will be re boostered regardless of my titers. If I did not vaccinate for anything else, it would be rabies.
 

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My (miserable) beagle lived to be 17years eating Purina Dog Chow and getting 5 vaccines all at once.... I truly believe that there is a genetic component.....
 

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I know she is getting ready to add more proteins and some other stuff too, maybe that's why the price went up. I will go check out the web site in a minute. I paid $55 and I was having blood pulled for a senior panel anyway. My vet charges $35 for a blood pull. Rose came back reactive to corn, wheat and beef. Not surprising to me since she is a Golden. I have had her on Duck and Potato , but recently switched to Orijen's fish diet and she's doing even better. Maybe a stupid question or I missed it, but have you had your dog's thyroid checked?
 

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Not yet, though I was planning on it in the next couple months (trying to pay down a family member that I owe money to for his recent issues) once thats paid I was planning to run full blood work. My vet doesnt think he has a thyroid issue though and told me it was a waste of my money. This test doesnt require blood its saliva that is needed I could pull it myself at home. Blood however the vet would need to pull
 

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I am thinking you might want to find a new vet. :confused:
 

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This new vet said thyroid dogs are fat and lazy. But I read differently which is why I wanted to test him. He itches in the SAME spots on both sides of his body and is losing hair to. I will test it regardless
 

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This new vet said thyroid dogs are fat and lazy. But I read differently which is why I wanted to test him. He itches in the SAME spots on both sides of his body and is losing hair to. I will test it regardless
Symmetrical hair loss is one of the signs of low thyroid.
 

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He doesnt have any noticable hair loss. He just itches the exact same spots on both sides. His shoulders. He itches those to the point of putting holes in his skin. He isnt over weight, isnt lazy...

But I wanted to test it anyway but need to pay down my debt a bit first. Was planning for the end of January for that test as well as the allergy test. I owe $577 so I plan to pay that off before x mas then I can borrow more :)
 

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I am vaccinated for rabies. Believe you me if I am every exposed, I will be re boostered regardless of my titers. If I did not vaccinate for anything else, it would be rabies.
Absolutely. And a titer or medical waiver will NOT protect your dog is he bites someone. He will be considered unvaccinated and be subjected to either testing (which involves euthanasia) or a lengthy quarantine, depending on the laws in your area. It does not matter if new studies say that the vaccine lasts longer than 3 years, it is a matter of law that it must be done every 3 years (and some places are stricter than that).

As to the other vaccines-at my clinic I wouldn't/couldn't make you do the vaccines, but I also wouldn't be able to have your dog in the hospital for boarding or surgery as those vaccines are required at our facility for boarding/surgery.
 
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