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You have been so gracious answering all my questions - if you have time to answer a few more….
Does summer know when it’s time to wean the puppies or do you start the process?
When the puppies leave for their new homes, how do Mama dogs react? Do they look for their puppies? Or are they pretty much over being tied to the puppies?
Do siblings remember each other if they meet again in the future? Do Mama dogs remember their puppies if they meet again in the future?
Will the pup/puppies you keep for yourself have a closer relationship with Summer than with your other dogs? I have greatly enjoyed watching and learning the whole process through the nest camera and your informative answers to everyone’s questions.
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Hi
You have been so gracious answering all my questions - if you have time to answer a few more….
Sure! :)

Does summer know when it’s time to wean the puppies or do you start the process?
This is a tough one. Every dam is different. And we always start weaning them at three weeks, which is well before the dam ever does.

With Summer, she's very slow. I get the feeling she'd be happy to nurse them to adulthood. LOL! Even at 7 weeks, she will still let them nurse, which we actually try not to discourage, but she still has lots of milk and a very strong drive, so we let her. However, at 6 weeks, she did start the weaning process herself, which involves her regurgitating her food for the puppies to eat. It looks gross on the camera, but that's how dogs in nature start to wean their pups.

We started with a gruel mixture at 3 weeks of age, and now at 7 weeks the puppies are eating straight kibble, which we moisten a little bit to make it softer, keep them from eating it too fast, and make sure they're getting enough liquids in their diet. So they are already weaned to the point where they will be when we send them to their homes on the 10th and 11th. But after every meal we give them, Summer still wants to get in and nurse them, and often she will both regurgitate food for them and let them nurse, even after they've had their human-fed meal.

Usually, by this time the dam isn't letting them nurse anymore. For one thing they have needle sharp teeth, and it hurts! So usually she will correct them and prevent them from nursing. I'll try to find a video I have of another mama dog who trained her litter really well that the milk bar is permanently closed, and I'll post it because it's fascinating.

I don't understand why Summer continues to allow them to nurse, but she definitely wants to. It's not like she reluctantly tolerates it, like most dams do by this time. As I said, we're not going to make Summer too anxious by discouraging it.

When the puppies leave for their new homes, how do Mama dogs react? Do they look for their puppies? Or are they pretty much over being tied to the puppies?
We always let the dams watch their babies leave. They meet the new owners and are in the room as they waive goodbye. I think we had one bitch who seemed a little put out for a few hours after they left, but mostly they have zero problems with it, and just go back to their old lives with ease. And we often keep a puppy from the litter, so she has at least one remaining to mother for as long as she feels like it. By 9 weeks, when we send them home, puppies have usually become pack members who are "co-parented" by the other dogs in the pack, so by then mama has started turning over responsibilities.

But the short answer is that they usually aren't bothered in the least. Again, since this is Summer's first litter, and she seems to be really into mothering these puppies, we don't know how she'll react. But she was fine with us taking them away for a 4-hour trip to the vet. And, of course, Summer had no way of knowing that they were ever going to come back, once they left. So...

Do siblings remember each other if they meet again in the future? Do Mama dogs remember their puppies if they meet again in the future?
This is a great question. The answer is no one really knows for sure, but sometimes it sure seems like it. We've had littermates meet again after a year old, and they go so crazy it's obvious that they recognize their siblings. We've also had it where it feels like two strangers meeting rather than siblings reuniting.

As for the mama dogs, I'll say that for the puppies that remain with us there is always a kind of family recognition, though I don't think mama really considers them her children, as such, when they reach maturity. I don't know if they recognize their kids months or years after the pups go to their homes. Keep in mind these aren't humans. Mothers will mate with their male children, for instance. So it's not a human-like dynamic.

But I've seen obvious recognition between siblings, sometimes after being separated for years. It's amazing. But I've also seen them not seem to recognize each other.

To me, I think they do know their siblings. I mean, they must, because every puppy we place recognizes Theresa and me, and greets us like husbands coming home from war or something. So if they recognize us, they must recognize their siblings, right? Anyway, most of the time it seems like they do, if the absence has been months rather than years.

Will the pup/puppies you keep for yourself have a closer relationship with Summer than with your other dogs?
I'm not sure it's "closer," but it's definitely "different." And it seems to be true for grandkids, too. For instance, our Ziva is great-grandmother to these puppies. Somehow, she seems to know that. She always seemed to know that Khaleesi was her child, and she seemed to know that Summer was Khaleesi's child. Her relationship with them isn't necessarily "closer" with them that it is for Gibbs or Ruby or other unrelated dogs we have, as Ziva is completely bonded to Gibbs. But when Summer was younger and we brought another puppy into the house, Ziva seemed to caretake for her granddaughter Summer when she didn't do the same thing for the unrelated puppy that we bought. Is that because she recognizes Khaleesi and Summer as "hers"? I really don't know. But it's fascinating to see the difference play out. You watch and think she must know, but then really how can she? It's not like she has a human intellectual capacity.

So, after all this time and watching them all so closely, and seeing the different dynamics at work, all I can say is that I really don't know, but it seems like she does, and that pleases me so that I'm happy to believe it to be true.

Great questions. Hope I did them justice.
 

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Sure! :)



This is a tough one. Every dam is different. And we always start weaning them at three weeks, which is well before the dam ever does.

With Summer, she's very slow. I get the feeling she'd be happy to nurse them to adulthood. LOL! Even at 7 weeks, she will still let them nurse, which we actually try not to discourage, but she still has lots of milk and a very strong drive, so we let her. However, at 6 weeks, she did start the weaning process herself, which involves her regurgitating her food for the puppies to eat. It looks gross on the camera, but that's how dogs in nature start to wean their pups.

We started with a gruel mixture at 3 weeks of age, and now at 7 weeks the puppies are eating straight kibble, which we moisten a little bit to make it softer, keep them from eating it too fast, and make sure they're getting enough liquids in their diet. So they are already weaned to the point where they will be when we send them to their homes on the 10th and 11th. But after every meal we give them, Summer still wants to get in and nurse them, and often she will both regurgitate food for them and let them nurse, even after they've had their human-fed meal.

Usually, by this time the dam isn't letting them nurse anymore. For one thing they have needle sharp teeth, and it hurts! So usually she will correct them and prevent them from nursing. I'll try to find a video I have of another mama dog who trained her litter really well that the milk bar is permanently closed, and I'll post it because it's fascinating.

I don't understand why Summer continues to allow them to nurse, but she definitely wants to. It's not like she reluctantly tolerates it, like most dams do by this time. As I said, we're not going to make Summer too anxious by discouraging it.



We always let the dams watch their babies leave. They meet the new owners and are in the room as they waive goodbye. I think we had one bitch who seemed a little put out for a few hours after they left, but mostly they have zero problems with it, and just go back to their old lives with ease. And we often keep a puppy from the litter, so she has at least one remaining to mother for as long as she feels like it. By 9 weeks, when we send them home, puppies have usually become pack members who are "co-parented" by the other dogs in the pack, so by then mama has started turning over responsibilities.

But the short answer is that they usually aren't bothered in the least. Again, since this is Summer's first litter, and she seems to be really into mothering these puppies, we don't know how she'll react. But she was fine with us taking them away for a 4-hour trip to the vet. And, of course, Summer had no way of knowing that they were ever going to come back, once they left. So...



This is a great question. The answer is no one really knows for sure, but sometimes it sure seems like it. We've had littermates meet again after a year old, and they go so crazy it's obvious that they recognize their siblings. We've also had it where it feels like two strangers meeting rather than siblings reuniting.

As for the mama dogs, I'll say that for the puppies that remain with us there is always a kind of family recognition, though I don't think mama really considers them her children, as such, when they reach maturity. I don't know if they recognize their kids months or years after the pups go to their homes. Keep in mind these aren't humans. Mothers will mate with their male children, for instance. So it's not a human-like dynamic.

But I've seen obvious recognition between siblings, sometimes after being separated for years. It's amazing. But I've also seen them not seem to recognize each other.

To me, I think they do know their siblings. I mean, they must, because every puppy we place recognizes Theresa and me, and greets us like husbands coming home from war or something. So if they recognize us, they must recognize their siblings, right? Anyway, most of the time it seems like they do, if the absence has been months rather than years.



I'm not sure it's "closer," but it's definitely "different." And it seems to be true for grandkids, too. For instance, our Ziva is great-grandmother to these puppies. Somehow, she seems to know that. She always seemed to know that Khaleesi was her child, and she seemed to know that Summer was Khaleesi's child. Her relationship with them isn't necessarily "closer" with them that it is for Gibbs or Ruby or other unrelated dogs we have, as Ziva is completely bonded to Gibbs. But when Summer was younger and we brought another puppy into the house, Ziva seemed to caretake for her granddaughter Summer when she didn't do the same thing for the unrelated puppy that we bought. Is that because she recognizes Khaleesi and Summer as "hers"? I really don't know. But it's fascinating to see the difference play out. You watch and think she must know, but then really how can she? It's not like she has a human intellectual capacity.

So, after all this time and watching them all so closely, and seeing the different dynamics at work, all I can say is that I really don't know, but it seems like she does, and that pleases me so that I'm happy to believe it to be true.

Great questions. Hope I did them justice.
Thank you! Your answers are thoughtful and informative.
I will miss seeing the puppies! I wish them many happy, healthy, years!
 

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Just curious, this is more "mothering" question then dog breeding, :)
Is Summer still letting the pups nurse because it's a relatively small litter ?
would she be a bit less generous if there were 12 pups trying to nurse?
I don't think 7 pups is a relatively small litter. I think it's pretty average for Goldens. Besides that, no. She seems to be one of those girls who just lets her puppies nurse for a long time, having nothing to do with the number of puppies. Now, that might change in her second and third litters, when she's a more experienced mom. We'll just have to wait and see.
 

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Thanks so much for leaving the camera up for this long -- what fluffy little butterbombs they are! I have loved seeing how you have changed their environment as they've gotten older, and I greatly appreciate you answering people's questions. You are a good writer - I'm sure I'm not the first one to think you should write a book on the care and breeding of goldens :)
 

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Thanks so much for leaving the camera up for this long -- what fluffy little butterbombs they are! I have loved seeing how you have changed their environment as they've gotten older, and I greatly appreciate you answering people's questions. You are a good writer - I'm sure I'm not the first one to think you should write a book on the care and breeding of goldens :)
LOL! No, you're definitely the first! :D
 

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Notice: The puppies will be taken out of the cam view for several hours today as we test and evaluate them. But don't worry, they'll be back by about 4:00 p.m. Pacific time today.

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I was just trying to check in on them! Thanks for the heads up. A little sad we only have a few more days to watch their antics, they are a fun bunch!! (just because I'm curious; when do you think you'll be breeding again? Already looking for my next puppy fix :LOL:)
 

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I was just trying to check in on them! Thanks for the heads up. A little sad we only have a few more days to watch their antics, they are a fun bunch!! (just because I'm curious; when do you think you'll be breeding again? Already looking for my next puppy fix :LOL:)
I'm a little sad, too. This has been a really fun litter. But I'm keeping one (Pink Girl, whose name is now Delta), so I'll get a whole new kind of fun. :)

It might be against the rules for me to say when I'm breeding again. The only thing I can say is, a little too soon, actually. We could use some rest. LOL :D
 

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...is pretty much a conscientious breeder's nightmare situation. It would mean I was a complete failure in choosing a home for this puppy and providing enough advance communication that the puppy buyer knew what she was in for. Clearly, no one talked to this puppy buyer about her experience and what it takes to raise a puppy.

Tomorrow I send each of our puppy buyers a video revealing which puppy they are going to take home. Up until today we haven't told anyone. But now our evaluation and testing are complete, and we spent time assigning puppies to homes, which means going over all their information and previous communications again. I can't imagine placing a puppy with the author of the above post, and if I did I would have to redo everything we do to screen buyers. The fact this person got a puppy is the fault of the breeder, not the buyer.

Anyway, this is the kind of stuff I think about when puppies are about to go home. I dread something like this happening to me.
 

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...is pretty much a conscientious breeder's nightmare situation. It would mean I was a complete failure in choosing a home for this puppy and providing enough advance communication that the puppy buyer knew what she was in for. Clearly, no one talked to this puppy buyer about her experience and what it takes to raise a puppy.

Tomorrow I send each of our puppy buyers a video revealing which puppy they are going to take home. Up until today we haven't told anyone. But now our evaluation and testing are complete, and we spent time assigning puppies to homes, which means going over all their information and previous communications again. I can't imagine placing a puppy with the author of the above post, and if I did I would have to redo everything we do to screen buyers. The fact this person got a puppy is the fault of the breeder, not the buyer.

Anyway, this is the kind of stuff I think about when puppies are about to go home. I dread something like this happening to me.
It traumatized me to read that also. I know there must be so much thought and care that goes into choosing homes and I hope each of yours ends up in a very loving home and they grow up engaged, learning, happy and very much loved.
 

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I have reached the wrong side of 70 yrs and have made the decision that I am too old to cope with a new puppy when Charlie goes. She is 10 now and very active so hopefully I will have a few more years. It is so easy to forget what raising a puppy entails, which is why watching the puppies develop so far has been a total reminder . The energy they have, the need to explore and discover but at the same time all these need to be channeled in a polite and constructive way. I met someone today with her 6month old goldie. The dog was totally out of control and the poor lady couldn't hold her easily. Another case of 'forgetting' what puppies need.

So, thank you so much for taking the time to run the web cam and answer questions and giving lots of pleasure. I sure will miss tuning in, but wish every little soul a happy home.
 
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