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I could see myself doing exactly the same thing: assuming the person knows their business, and knows what is the proper groom for each breed.
 

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I could see myself doing exactly the same thing: assuming the person knows their business, and knows what is the proper groom for each breed.
I just feel that we should never assume anything when it comes to our pets. They can't speak for themselves so it's up to us to be extra vigilant in making sure that when we leave them in someone else's care, whether it's for grooming, boarding, vet care, etc., we know what to expect during their stay.

I still feel it's the groomer's fault...anyone that considers themselves professional would never let a client leave their business without a clear understanding of the services being provided.
 

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I agree with launching a campaign with these pictures so other people don't suffer the same fate... that is just insane.
I agree also. For some reason every time I see one of these threads I think of this one, don't know why, maybe it was the pictures:

http://www.goldenretrieverforum.com/golden-retrievers-main-discussion/87123-got-my-goldens-groomed-yesterday.html

Searching the forum for shaved reveals many stories. A sticky should be made about this in one way or another. A double coated breed should not be shaved.
 

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Your poor pup! That is really sad that he feels so bad. Are you willing to show us a picture? I had my husband read your original thread because he thinks Pippa should get shaved to be more comfortable in the summer. I do not agree.

I Know they are more comfortable with that cut during the summer!!
I will do it every year.

1. Stamina is better
2. Cools Faster
3. Easier to swim long distances.
4. Doesn't pick up burrs

Never had one sunburn either, he does not get a "Poodle" length cut. I think they use the next size up from what yours is. Mine get cut just a hair longer and NONE off the tail that is their rudder they use it to help them swimming.
Grows back nice and full by the Fall
 

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Radarsdad, could you post a photo to show what you mean? I looked at the photo of GoldenLover12's dog Shelley and after the shave, she didn't look like a Golden anymore.
 

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someone once said when choosing a groomer, ask if they'll shave a golden....if they answer "yes", don't use 'em!
 

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The only groomer our Toby goes to is the one attached to the veterinary hospital we use and they never shave dogs down unless it's for a medical reason due to the fact the coat actually helps them with the summer heat and prevents skin cancers/sunburns. I don't care what others claim, most veterinarians will tell you it is not the thing to do unless there is a valid medical reason to do so.

That being said, Toby gets a belly shave every 6 months while we are monitoring his enlarged lymph node in his abdominal area...he HATES it in the winter, but likes it in the summer. He looks odd because the sonogram technician only shaves in one tiny area and it grows out unevenly.
 

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Even if they have crazy matting most rescues won't shave dogs completely because it can really impact them, so I am not surprised that he's not feeling himself. A good Groomer would know this.

He'll get used to it though and it will grow back.
 

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The only groomer our Toby goes to is the one attached to the veterinary hospital we use and they never shave dogs down unless it's for a medical reason due to the fact the coat actually helps them with the summer heat and prevents skin cancers/sunburns. I don't care what others claim, most veterinarians will tell you it is not the thing to do unless there is a valid medical reason to do so.
That's not altogether true. Shaved I agree. But for the most part that is false information. I researched before I had them groomed. The sunburn theory is false unless the dog is SHAVED and that is from experience!!!

I will see if I can dig up some pictures. Missy's has grown back so much in a few months it would not be accurate. "Puppy length" would be about right.

Which brings up the point if that theory is correct why don't puppy's sunburned??
 

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This is Missy about a month after she got her Summer Doo. So it would be a little shorter than this about 1/8 to a 1/4 inch.
My avatar picture was him in September. His Summer Doo was about April or May when the temps got up.








 

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That's not altogether true. Shaved I agree. But for the most part that is false information. I researched before I had them groomed. The sunburn theory is false unless the dog is SHAVED and that is from experience!!!

I will see if I can dig up some pictures. Missy's has grown back so much in a few months it would not be accurate. "Puppy length" would be about right.

Which brings up the point if that theory is correct why don't puppy's sunburned??
I stand by what my veterinarian has told me and the veterinary hospital policy, not by one owner's experience.

Edit: 2 links just pulled up.
http://dogtime.com/shave-dog-dan-lauridia.html
I live in Arizona where it gets very hot in the summer. Should we shave our dog to help keep her cool?

answered by Daniel Lauridia

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My patients often ask me this very same question, and I also see many dogs on the street during summer who have been shaved. Unfortunately, shaving a dog to keep her cool is not a good idea. A normal summer coat protects from the heat. However, if your dog's coat is matted it will be less effective in protecting from the heat. Therefore, she should be brushed regularly to make sure that loose hair from her undercoat isn't trapped beneath the outer coat. A dog's fur actually acts as insulation from both heat and cold. Shaving can also make her more susceptible to sunburn.



Dr. Dan Lauridia, "Dr. Dan," is the chief veterinarian at DoggedHealth.com and owns his own veterinary practice in New York City.

http://mjmcompany.com/dog-grooming-tips.htm

Shaving the coat ... may seem like a solution but is not a good idea. A dog's coat is insulation which protects against both cold and heat. Shaving the coat also exposes a dog's skin to sunburn! For short Haircuts ... using a clipper with a snap on comb attachment is a good idea. Cutting just the top coat and not the undercoat leaves nature's protection against sun and heat and delivers manageable style.
 

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I stand by what my veterinarian has told me and the veterinary hospital policy, not by one owner's experience.
Great don't shave your dog. You can get any opinion for or against anything on the internet.

I will do what's best for my dog and if the dog benefits from it I will do it and continue to do it.

I did however talk to some field people who have done it also. So I didn't just one day decide to groom him.

Insulation can work both ways,shielding from external and also holding in internal heat as in preventing cooling.
 

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I just feel that we should never assume anything when it comes to our pets. They can't speak for themselves so it's up to us to be extra vigilant in making sure that when we leave them in someone else's care, whether it's for grooming, boarding, vet care, etc., we know what to expect during their stay.
I agree with this and upset that I didn't take extra steps in asking questions, getting answers or educating myself about it first; feeling like I let our pup down.

I called the groomer today (they run their business out of their home). I told her that she should put more time and effort in explaining exactly what she is going to do, that I thought she intended to shave his butt, under his tail and clean up his back legs. She said that she shaves atleast 15 goldens a week, that it is very commen and she just did 3 today, 2 of them were her own.

Again, when posting this thread I was embarrassed because I am always aware of taking the best care of my golden. I just want this to be a learning lesson for us all.

I love him to peices regardless how he looks, it was the way he was initially acting afterwards that made me sad but he is back to his old-puppy-self again and he's happy and with that, I'm happy. :)
 

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I love him to peices regardless how he looks, it was the way he was initially acting afterwards that made me sad but he is back to his old-puppy-self again and he's happy and with that, I'm happy. :)

I'm glad he's back to his old self. Don't beat yourself up...we all make mistakes...the last time I took Maggie to the groomer, they said "do you want her de-shedded?" and I said "yes" thinking they meant with a rake...they furminated her coat and ruined it...I was so mad, but, I learned to ask before I leave my dog with a groomer.
 

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Miscommunications happen all the time because when we talk, we assume the listener knows our thoughts as well. And when we listen, we assume the speaker is thinking our thoughts!
 

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With digital cameras EVERYWHERE nowadays & it so cheap and easy to get pictures developed..... For the life of me I cant figure out why groomers don't show clients pictures of what they intended to do and have the clients sign-off on it....wouldn't that make sense?!?!
 

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I agree with this and upset that I didn't take extra steps in asking questions, getting answers or educating myself about it first; feeling like I let our pup down.
You didn't let your pup down, the groomer did. Don't blame yourself on this one...it's not your fault at all.
 
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