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Some of whose best of the best lists?
What I meant is the ones that I saw they were having issues with are the ones that are always listed as 5 stars in any list I see, the ones that are always the ones highly recommended when going to the boutique pet food stores. The ones people are paying $90 a bag plus, because they are supposed to be good quality. I do not want to mention them by name because it was people on social media talking about that was the food they were giving their dogs ( it was a couple brands ) and they were tested as having this issue.
 

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One item of note for me. I would be very interested to know if the fact the formulations are grain free is more indicative of the problem than the reduction of meat is. I believe some grain-free formulations have meat and do NOT have legumes or soy and so may not have the same issues ...

Feeding primarily raw, I do not think this applies to my dogs -- however I do steer clear of ANY occassional kibble that limits meat and has soy or legumes. In my opinion, protein sources do matter and dogs need protein from meat sources.
That is my understanding that there is not enough protein in the food for the dogs to get the taurine.
 

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I was sort of picking on you. There are certain popular websites that rate foods with numbers of stars, based on their own beliefs and agendas, and completely unsubstantiated with any proof or research. Then people regurgitate the information and cite it as gospel truth. It makes me nuts. I find this situation to be yet more proof that one shouldn't pick their dog food based on self-proclaimed internet *experts* or on the advice of pet store employees, many of whom wouldn't know taurine from turpentine.
My vet and I were talking about this, and he said, "Grain free dog food just went from being the biggest marketing scam ever promoted by the dog food industry to becoming a health hazard besides".

What I meant is the ones that I saw they were having issues with are the ones that are always listed as 5 stars in any list I see, the ones that are always the ones highly recommended when going to the boutique pet food stores. The ones people are paying $90 a bag plus, because they are supposed to be good quality. I do not want to mention them by name because it was people on social media talking about that was the food they were giving their dogs ( it was a couple brands ) and they were tested as having this issue.
 

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I was sort of picking on you. There are certain popular websites that rate foods with numbers of stars, based on their own beliefs and agendas, and completely unsubstantiated with any proof or research. Then people regurgitate the information and cite it as gospel truth. It makes me nuts. I find this situation to be yet more proof that one shouldn't pick their dog food based on self-proclaimed internet *experts* or on the advice of pet store employees, many of whom wouldn't know taurine from turpentine.
My vet and I were talking about this, and he said, "Grain free dog food just went from being the biggest marketing scam ever promoted by the dog food industry to becoming a health hazard besides".

What I meant is the ones that I saw they were having issues with are the ones that are always listed as 5 stars in any list I see, the ones that are always the ones highly recommended when going to the boutique pet food stores. The ones people are paying $90 a bag plus, because they are supposed to be good quality. I do not want to mention them by name because it was people on social media talking about that was the food they were giving their dogs ( it was a couple brands ) and they were tested as having this issue.
And what does one do if their dog reacts negatively to grain? I don't want her itching incessantly, but I don't want her ill from grain free either.

Short of going RAW, which scares me that I won't be able to ensure adequate balances of nutrition- what does one do? :(
 

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Not to further complicate the issue (and if I am I apologize) but I have noticed a great many treats lately which are grain free also have peas, soybeans, etc. added to them as an ingredient as well. In some cases as the second ingredient. I just took a look at one of the treat bags in my kitchen that I got recently. Not going to say the name but it is one of the five star ones... ingredients as follows: "Rabbit, peas, potatoes, garbanzo beans, flax seed, molasses, dried egg product, citric acid, sweet potatoes, salmon oil..." I am wondering if, in addition to what we are giving them in their bowls every day we should maybe also be looking much more carefully at their treats? Generally I give the dehydrated sweet potatoes and apples that I make and also green beans and string cheese but once in a while I am lazy and buy a bag of treats (and I admit I am really bad and give my coonhound yogurt Fruitables because he is a Fruitable addict) so I guess I am going to have to be much more careful reading the labels on the treats than I have been!
 

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There are pre-packaged RAW (just to show one, you can do your research for others that may be easy to get in your area. https://www.darwinspet.com/product/raw-dog-food-ns/ where you can buy different varieties to ensure a balanced diet.

Pro Plan makes a sensitive skin and stomach kibble. The ingredient page below.
https://www.proplan.com/dogs/products/focus-adult-sensitive-skin-stomach-salmon-rice-formula#ingredientsandguaranteedanalysis

I would think other companies would also have limited ingredient foods if pro plan won't work for Dory.

Wether we are satisfied with the foods our dogs are eating now it is always good to have an idea what else is out there in case there would ever be a reason to change.
 

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SO,,,,,if a grain free food lists four or five different types of fish as the first ingredients, will that provide the meat needed to supply enough high quality protein? Natures Varienty Instinct Salmon just changed their formula and it seems pretty good. Anyone have an opinion???
 

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There are pre-packaged RAW (just to show one, you can do your research for others that may be easy to get in your area. https://www.darwinspet.com/product/raw-dog-food-ns/ where you can buy different varieties to ensure a balanced diet.

Pro Plan makes a sensitive skin and stomach kibble. The ingredient page below.
https://www.proplan.com/dogs/products/focus-adult-sensitive-skin-stomach-salmon-rice-formula#ingredientsandguaranteedanalysis

I would think other companies would also have limited ingredient foods if pro plan won't work for Dory.

Wether we are satisfied with the foods our dogs are eating now it is always good to have an idea what else is out there in case there would ever be a reason to change.
So how do you know how much to feed? The link you provided shows per pound. So if it's 10 pounds, how much total per day? Right now she gets 1.5 cups in the AM and 1 cup in the evening.

Also, do you need to gradually introduce- like you would for regular kibble?

We tried purina pro in all varieties and she didn't do well on it. :/
 

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And we didn't try the sensitive stomach salmon, I believe the one we tried was lamb... so we could try that, too. Ugh. I hate switching her up if she's doing well. :/ this stuff is so hard & scary!
 

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I was sort of picking on you. There are certain popular websites that rate foods with numbers of stars, based on their own beliefs and agendas, and completely unsubstantiated with any proof or research. Then people regurgitate the information and cite it as gospel truth. It makes me nuts. I find this situation to be yet more proof that one shouldn't pick their dog food based on self-proclaimed internet *experts* or on the advice of pet store employees, many of whom wouldn't know taurine from turpentine.
My vet and I were talking about this, and he said, "Grain free dog food just went from being the biggest marketing scam ever promoted by the dog food industry to becoming a health hazard besides".

What I meant is the ones that I saw they were having issues with are the ones that are always listed as 5 stars in any list I see, the ones that are always the ones highly recommended when going to the boutique pet food stores. The ones people are paying $90 a bag plus, because they are supposed to be good quality. I do not want to mention them by name because it was people on social media talking about that was the food they were giving their dogs ( it was a couple brands ) and they were tested as having this issue.
And what does one do if their dog reacts negatively to grain? I don't want her itching incessantly, but I don't want her ill from grain free either.

Short of going RAW, which scares me that I won't be able to ensure adequate balances of nutrition- what does one do?
Couldn't you just add in some extra meat? Without going all raw. The Nutritionest I follow mentioned that the weight management food I give Teddy was a bit low in protein. I just make sure he gets a side of real meat at dinner. Along with some vej.
 

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That is my understanding that there is not enough protein in the food for the dogs to get the taurine.
I don't think that's exactly right. The theory is that dogs are not able to synthesize taurine from the plant proteins. So while the protein is there, the issue is the bioavailability of the taurine from the plant based protein. Foods without the plant based proteins seem to be fine.

I have several friends whose dogs are impacted by this, and what it seems is that dogs who were routinely eating kibble but the owners supplemented the kibble with meat, organs, eggs, etc. did not come back low. We tested one of mine, as the test is a bit pricey (over $300), and he came back within normal range, but we routinely supplement with meat, etc. Many different brands of food have been implicated in it.... and I know many believe it is a "grain free" issue, but there are some dogs eating foods with grain that have come back low. I will say though, we switched kibble because of this, and are now feeding Eukanuba 28/18.... a food that was honestly not even on my radar a few months ago. The reason we chose it is that I know a few people who were feeding this food and not routinely supplementing with meat/organs and their dogs came back within normal ranges. This is a very scary issue and I'm so glad that Dr. Stern is working toward an answer.
 

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I don't think that's exactly right. The theory is that dogs are not able to synthesize taurine from the plant proteins. So while the protein is there, the issue is the bioavailability of the taurine from the plant based protein. Foods without the plant based proteins seem to be fine.

I have several friends whose dogs are impacted by this, and what it seems is that dogs who were routinely eating kibble but the owners supplemented the kibble with meat, organs, eggs, etc. did not come back low. We tested one of mine, as the test is a bit pricey (over $300), and he came back within normal range, but we routinely supplement with meat, etc. Many different brands of food have been implicated in it.... and I know many believe it is a "grain free" issue, but there are some dogs eating foods with grain that have come back low. I will say though, we switched kibble because of this, and are now feeding Eukanuba 28/18.... a food that was honestly not even on my radar a few months ago. The reason we chose it is that I know a few people who were feeding this food and not routinely supplementing with meat/organs and their dogs came back within normal ranges. This is a very scary issue and I'm so glad that Dr. Stern is working toward an answer.
Wow, I recognized the avatar, but did not recognize the name. It confused me for a while...

I just went back to some of the original threads I read last month, and they were talking about the peas and other legumes hurting the ability to digest the taurine - or something like that. It is really scary and sounds like the lower quality food might be better. I know so many people now that mix multiple brands together. I used to rotate quite a bit. I have one dog that needs grain free, but in the past year I have found a food that is "Free from Gluten Grains" and that seems to work fine.

A shame the test is so expensive.
 

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It would depend on what, specifically, allergy tests have shown her to be allergic to.
My vet would be the first to agree that there are some dogs for whom some grains are a medical problem. But the industry jumped on this and attempted to convince people, frequently successfully, that all dogs should avoid grain. This simply is not true.


And what does one do if their dog reacts negatively to grain? I don't want her itching incessantly, but I don't want her ill from grain free either.

Short of going RAW, which scares me that I won't be able to ensure adequate balances of nutrition- what does one do? :(
 

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I believe you are right, it goes beyond them not being able to synthesize taurine from vegetable protein. I think I read that legumes actually bind to the meat protein, reducing its bioavailability.

Wow, I recognized the avatar, but did not recognize the name. It confused me for a while...

I just went back to some of the original threads I read last month, and they were talking about the peas and other legumes hurting the ability to digest the taurine - or something like that. It is really scary and sounds like the lower quality food might be better. I know so many people now that mix multiple brands together. I used to rotate quite a bit. I have one dog that needs grain free, but in the past year I have found a food that is "Free from Gluten Grains" and that seems to work fine.

A shame the test is so expensive.
 

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Really interesting reading all your posts - thanks. I still haven't found a new food. I am now trying to find grain free without peas available in France. Not easy. There is TOTW with salmon. But there have been recent reviews to say it smelled different and some dogs got sick eating it. Has anyone had any problems with TOTW?
I understand I could increase the protein by adding more fish myself but fish is full of water so I don't know how much to add per meal to make it worth while.
In any case I am going to stop the Acana since they have now added so much pea etc. recently.
 

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The TOTW I can get here is Pacific stream and does not mention any pea protein, just fish. Just read the US web site and they mention peas and beans! The French seller's web site does not! I suppose the ingredients have been badly translated. Oh dear.
 

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The TOTW I can get here is Pacific stream and does not mention any pea protein, just fish. Just read the US web site and they mention peas and beans! The French seller's web site does not! I suppose the ingredients have been badly translated. Oh dear.

The salmon(pacific stream) just started adding this within the last 6-months or so. Prior it did not. I wonder if it is delayed over there, or if they're keeping it as is. There are a lot of people complaining on their site about the added peas- so hopefully, they'll remove them. I have NO idea why prices increase and quality continuously decreases. :(


We've been feeding this for over a year when we noticed a reaction to chicken and once removed the issue still didn't go away. We went grain free, and it did. She does have an allergy test backing up our suspicions. Ugh. I hate this. I was pricing those RAW pre-prepared and it'll be around $240.00 a month. I don't know what to do, but I do know I don't want to make fear based decisions so off to research. I am sure Dory would much prefer RAW(even though she gobbles up her TOTW).
 

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I would love to see "the list" everyone keeps talking about.. I can't find it .. help?
 
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