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Well, I have looked at a lot of breeder websites after having read your helpful criteria, and also read about 20 pages back on this section. I have changed my requirements a little after much thought. I still want a red, fieldy Golden, but I want a more versatile dog, a dog who hunts, but can do agility and OB and perhaps dock diving. I'm ambitious, but not sure which activity I want to get into yet. :) I only know that conformation is not for me.

As I've said before, I want a bold, high-drive, assertive, energetic, intelligent dog, and I don't mind if he's a troublemaker. I've raised a dog like this, my Holmes, my previous dog who was a LOT of Golden.

I'm willing to get a pup from any place in the US or Canada. New England appears to have a dearth of "red" breeders.

So far the breeders I am looking at closely include Topbrass, Adirondac, Wynwood, and Sunfire. I am looking for a breeder that will work closely with me and provide support, even though I am a newbie to the world of well-bred Goldens. (I got taken by a bad breeder the last time, my previous 2 breeders were bybs, although I got wonderful dogs.) Any other breeder suggestions as well as your thoughts on these breeders would be highly appreciated.

I am not looking to get a pup until sometime in 2013.
 

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You may also want to look at SandDancer, Gaylans, Pine Run, Trowsnest, and Waters Edge in the NE, and Ambertrail, Shurmark, and Sterre in Ontario, Canada. Yopu won't necessarily get red from all of these, but you will get the energetic, bold and intelligent parts!
 
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You mention Wynwood... so I'm going to guess you are considering coming out this way for a puppy...

Have you looked into Tanbark Goldens? They are in Wisconsin, and I've seen a LOT of their goldens competing in obedience and agility. They do a lot of performance litters, I think. The ones I've met in person and seen at class are little, reddish, smart, and very sweet. :)
 

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Sunfire is good breeder of goldens with the energy level and description you mention who has produced many performance titled dogs. Barbara Biewer, www.sunfire.com. They are located in Connecticut.
 

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Funny, I had SandDancer, Shurmark, Sterre, Ambertrail and Tanbark on my larger list, which is HUGE! Gaylan's looks absolutely fantastic, but they do produce a lighter Golden than I like. (I think.) Although no good dog is a bad colour, I've only had darker Goldens, and have my heart set on a reddish guy. Gaylan's also has a waiting list that's very long if you have never titled a dog. I am very ambitious, but I will just be getting into dog sports. With a dog with bad needs (ACD), a DA dog (Lab/Pit-- fortunately he is only DA OUTSIDE the home) and a no-drive Golden with a liver shunt, it just hasn't been possible.

I do lead an active lifestyle, and once old enough, the dog will get plenty of exercise, with lots of fetch, 2 miles walks plus dog park -- if he likes that -- and accompanying me while cross country skiing. In addition, I'd like to take up a dog activity for fun and to keep his mind active. I have a close friend who would like to hunt with him, as his Lab is getting older.

My former dog (not current), Mr. Holmes, was byb but brilliant (knew over 100 words), an exercise maniac), a prankster, and didn't slow down til he was 10 (he lived til almost 13).

Thanks for all your help, it is truly appreciated.
 

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I have been trying to get a redhead for over 10 yrs. Two dogs later neither have been dark red but both were, and are exceptional dogs. Color takes a back seat to good breeding. Get the dog with the traits that you want and to heck with what color they are. The dog will love you no matter what color he is, or you are. My .02
 

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Well, so far, my top two breeders, Topbrass and Adirondac, do breed reds as far as I know. Light reds at least. And as I said, I believe we are entitled to our colour preferences. Else I might have a -- anathema -- Flattie!
 

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The true deep reds are kinda rare around here. The last true deep red pup I met I had to ask were he came from. Wisconsin, forget the breeders name though. Good luck! BTW, I love the Flatties, great dogs.
 

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That's why I'm willing to travel or have a puppy shipped. I thought I had found a breeder in Quebec with gorgeous, dark red, 'old fashioned' type Goldens, but he neither titles not completely health tests (no yearly CERFs, no heart.) His excuse is that he lives 600 km from specialists.
 

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I also travel to Florida once a month, so anywhere in the South is an easy trip for me. :)

So the South, Eastern Ontario, Quebec, the Midwest, upstate NY, are all easier possibilities for me, rather than the far West, but as I said, shipping is okay.
 

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Old fashioned Goldens are not dark red. There is a field line that was very successful that was dark red but it has nothing to with "old fashioned Goldens" The first dual champion Golden was not dark red but appears medium Gold in the black and white pictures that I have seen. I would not buy a dog without cerfs. You want a pup that has a chance at living a long and healthy life. I know, I had to put two down that didn't have a chance before I knew better.
 
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Yes, and he's even gotten crazier lately. But he does have some nice pictures of old dogs in history. Interesting about the over trimming, I was looking more at the heads.
 
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