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We know or suspect that Rocky is allergic (or can't tolerate) chicken, beef, oats, peanut butter, venison and rabbit. He has done well on NB Sweet Potato & Fish but I would like a higher protein food. Also, I keep searching for new foods anticipating the time when Rocky develops a problem with NB SP&F.

I bought a small bag of the new Evo Herring and Salmon dry kibble. It contains eggs and cottage cheese. Given Rocky's food issues, is it completely obvious that he will not be able to eat this EVO? Eggs and dairy are often listed among the most common food allergens for dogs.
 

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I'm curious, why do you think he needs more protein?
 

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I'm curious, why do you think he needs more protein?
Sedona, from Dogster, posted a couple links which show the health benefits of higher protein, ie 24-26% and higher. NB SP&F has 21% protein with 50% of that protein coming from sweet potatoes. Rocky needs about 430 grams of NB per day to get the right amount of calories. That equates to 90 grams of protein of which maybe 60-80 is bio-available. I have read that a dog needs 1 gram of protein per day per lb of body weight. I don't know if that means gross protein going in or amount which is bio-available. Rocky weighs 68 lbs. Seems to me that NB SP&F is borderline at best when it comes to protein concentration.

The good news is that sweet potatoes do contain all of the essential (dog can't internally synthesize) amino acids. I have bought into the notion that dogs are carnivores and I don't like feeding Rocky a kibble which has sweet potatoes listed as the first ingrediant.
 

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Whats makes you think he is allergic to these things? If that food works for him, I would leave it alone. If you feel he needs alittle more protein, can you supplement fish you make at home?
 

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Not intending to be offensive, but wow it seems you are way over analyzing.

If he's doing well on the food he is eating now, personally I would not change him, especially since you know he has potential allergies to a lot of ingredients and his current food is working for him.
 

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Yes, that's bio-available protein, but if a 68 pound dog is getting 90 grams of gross protein, of which 77% is probably available (that's from a pretty big study done in Europe, it's an average, but most quality foods are higher) he's getting all he needs.
If that food is working for him, I'd think about giving him some high quality protein based treats during the day rather than changing the food, such as one of the dehydrated meat or liver treats. Or, try adding sardines, in spring water, no salt added, to his diet (start slowly). A lot of dogs do really well with the added sardines (about 19 gm protein in a can) and the omega-3 content of sardines is very high.
Just another thought.

Sedona, from Dogster, posted a couple links which show the health benefits of higher protein, ie 24-26% and higher. NB SP&F has 21% protein with 50% of that protein coming from sweet potatoes. Rocky needs about 430 grams of NB per day to get the right amount of calories. That equates to 90 grams of protein of which maybe 60-80 is bio-available. I have read that a dog needs 1 gram of protein per day per lb of body weight. I don't know if that means gross protein going in or amount which is bio-available. Rocky weighs 68 lbs. Seems to me that NB SP&F is borderline at best when it comes to protein concentration.

The good news is that sweet potatoes do contain all of the essential (dog can't internally synthesize) amino acids. I have bought into the notion that dogs are carnivores and I don't like feeding Rocky a kibble which has sweet potatoes listed as the first ingrediant.
 

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Not intending to be offensive, but wow it seems you are way over analyzing.

If he's doing well on the food he is eating now, personally I would not change him, especially since you know he has potential allergies to a lot of ingredients and his current food is working for him.
No offense taken at all. Many posters here and on Dogster who know much more than I say 21% protein kibble is inadequate or at least undesirable. The only way I could make a personal judgement was to actually crunch the numbers to see if Rocky is getting enough protein. Based on the numbers, he probably is getting the minimum required. OTOH, studies show that more protein is beneficial, especially in working and performing dogs, eg dogs fed high protein diets had fewer joint injuries.

Aside from the level of protein, Rocky's vet and dermatologist both said (and I have read corroborating studies) that Rocky has a good chance of developing an allergic reaction to any food. Many folks rotate food just for that reason. So, even though Rocky is doing ok now, I am always on the lookout for an alternative. Rocky did great on Instinct Rabbit for a little over 2 months.
 

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EVO is kind of one of those foods that dogs either do great on, or do horribly on.. because of how protein rich it is.

If you are interested in putting Rocky on it.. I'd make the transition SLOWWWWWWLY to give his tummy plenty of time to adjust.
 

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My dog has a whole list of items he's allergic to, but not eggs or dairy, so don't automatically rule them out.I was asking at my local store if they would be carrying the new Evo, and they said that they could order it for me if I wanted it, but they would not normally carry it because it is so expensive, they don't want customers to go into shock when they see the price.
 
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