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Hello Everyone,

I was wondering if anyone could provide some wisdom/advice regarding this breeder. I have been looking at this breeder for sometime and they seem to be very good breeders of English Creme Retrievers. In addition, they have very good customer reviews. I was bothered by the fact that they increased their purchase price by $2,000.00 not too long ago. I believe the minimum now is $6,500.00. I'm sure that for some people that is nothing but to the average american...well you get the point. What really pulls me to them is that they give you a puppy that is already trained in alot of areas and so I assume that that is the reason why their prices are so high. Other breeders are asking $4,000.00 and I can't find any under $2,500.00. This breeder has so good customer reviews that it makes you wonder if perhaps you are not crazy and that these dogs are actually worth it. This is going to be for me a very serious decision that hopefully will last 15 years :) so it is important to me to have a healthy, well behaved dog. Thank you everyone that will be responding!
 

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There's a thread
(mostly) on them- http://www.goldenretrieverforum.com/choosing-golden-retriever-breeder-puppy/60107-recherche-goldens-near-roanoke-va.html

When you think about training a puppy, you shoiuld realize that there are folks who do puppy kindergarten and teach all of those skills and more- introduce to birds and swimming, for instance, and the usual charge for that in the SE is at most $600 a month. So figure a well bred puppy price of 1500-2000, and add two months of training and you have the price for that generic puppy. .... as if there are generic puppies! I think that fellow in CA who started selling 'trained puppies' created a market such as this- want to say he was called ABC Goldens?
I think that choosing a breeder based on their ability to hang onto a few puppies and train them up is maybe not the best way to choose a future life companion- most breeders know someone who will raise up a puppy for a fee, and do it well. So find the puppy first, then worry about getting him the skills you want to start with.
 

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English "creme" is a big red flag, so buyer beware. There ARE some good responsible breeders of English goldens, but thei goldens come from ENGLAND and the KC. Calling any poorly structure "white" colored golden a Creme and charging 6,500 for it does not make it a decent dog.
 

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Just my humble opinion, but 6500.00 for a pet puppy is nutty....
Slow down and do your own 'rechercher'...Im pretty sure you will start to see much better options....
 

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Just going through their pictures, many of their dogs appear to be unsound and have structural faults that would show up in offspring. Just on that basis I would not buy from them, who wants to pay $4,000 (at the very least) above what a responsible breeder would charge for a puppy who is going to live in a lot of pain and have high medical bills the rest of their life due to soundness issues? Find a responsible breeder who shows their goldens and get a puppy who has a chance of living a pain free happy healthy life.

P.S. Unfortunately customer reviews don't mean much (unless you actually get to talk to the person), it is very easy to make them up yourself.
 

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I haven't researched them, but I just wanted to add my 2 cents to this thread. My Thor comes from a line of goldens who are bred for the color. The cost for them are around 5,000$. I got him from a client who had an oops litter with one of the males. So I paid nothing for my bear. I had no clue about any of this. Some very awesome members here researched his lineage and shared with me the unsettling news. He has no championship blood and very little clearances were done on his grand and great grand parents. So he is a product of breeding for color. I am more saying that's what's going on, but it's a possibility. Good luck in your search :)


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According to their website, the cheapest puppy from Recherche Goldens is $14,500. They do an amazing job training puppies. I admire that. And the facility looks beautiful, clean and well taken care of. But most of their dogs do not have clearances by OFA which any breeder should have.
 

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If having a trained puppy or young dog is important, then look at Mattiaci Golden Retrievers. Florence has competed in conformation and obedience since she was 16 years old with her first UD. She sells trained young dogs. Her dogs are a variety of colors and all have very nice temperament. Mattiaci Golden Retrievers of Montana

All her dogs have their clearances for many generations.
 

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They breed Bernese Mountain Dogs, Bernedoodles, Malitipoos, Bichipoos, Cavapoos, Cavaliers, and Golden Retrievers. I am surprised they do not breed goldendoodles yet... The dogs live in a MASSIVE warehouse of kennels with astro-turf instead of real grass. They do not breed to the standard, I actually think from videos of the puppies and dogs that there is just something conformationally 'off' with most of the dogs. Something about the legs maybe...I'm no expert but thats just something that raises questions for me.

As for the training, I understand some people want a started dog, which is fine but I think there are other options out there worth exploring first..
 

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It would seem to me that an essential part of bonding with your dog and the uniqueness of this connection is to train him or her. I would never want a dog delivered already trained.
 

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So many red flags. Breeding by color, keeping and training the pups and adding $4,000 or more to the cost of the puppies. I haven't even looked for clearances yet and I"m curious if there are any at all done. Plus how old are the puppies when you get them after being "trained"? If 6 months old you lost all the bonding time as a young puppy and YOU didn't train them, which means they will not listen to you the same as the trainers. Not to mention to have a very well trained pup in that 6 month or so age, the training done was more than likely NOT positive reinforcement but fear and painful correction training. Positive reinforcement training is a slower process but is a much more sound and lasting training method.


I'm about to check out the site but this sounds questionable, especially with the price.
 

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I just started looking and the first dog I looked at I can already see the "clearances" are in adequate. Sydney has a heart clearance done by practitioner. There dogs are from overseas and haven't yet had any updated clearances done. Sydney had hips done at 1 year and 8 days old. It's required to have the hips done in the USA at 24 months and these would be considered just prelims at 12 months old.


Also, in the available pups I can see pups with DOB as Jan 1, Jan 4, and Jan 18. They are just pumping these litter out. They are jsut a puppy mill. How many litters to they have on the ground at once?
 

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It would seem to me that an essential part of bonding with your dog and the uniqueness of this connection is to train him or her. I would never want a dog delivered already trained.

I have to disagree that training is an essential part of bonding. As a volunteer with a national, non-profit service dog organization, I see folks all the time who've been successfully matched with a service animal. (Person and dog are quite bonded.) Volunteers, not recipients, do the basic obedience training for the first 20 months, with professional trainers doing the last few months of training if the dog has been selected to go into advanced training. The dogs are carefully matched with recipients and they spend two weeks learning to work with the trained dog.


Training is a great way to bond with your dog, but it's not essential in all situations.


(This is not an endorsement of Recherche in any way. To that issue, the suggestion to go with Florence sounds like a good one as I've heard this before from other people.)
 

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Completely agree. For dogs in the field trial or hunt test world, probably the majority are professionally trained. The training for these events requires so much more time than the average person has time for. Plus the grounds required are far beyond most places in the US. So I personally chose to send my guy off for 10 weeks a couple of years ago. There were specific things I asked the trainer to work on, which he was able to do. I went to train with the pro for a week when I picked up my dog. My dog bonded with me just fine. Goldens bond very easily with humans.
 

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I have to disagree that training is an essential part of bonding. As a volunteer with a national, non-profit service dog organization, I see folks all the time who've been successfully matched with a service animal. (Person and dog are quite bonded.) Volunteers, not recipients, do the basic obedience training for the first 20 months, with professional trainers doing the last few months of training if the dog has been selected to go into advanced training. The dogs are carefully matched with recipients and they spend two weeks learning to work with the trained dog.


Training is a great way to bond with your dog, but it's not essential in all situations.


(This is not an endorsement of Recherche in any way. To that issue, the suggestion to go with Florence sounds like a good one as I've heard this before from other people.)
This seems like a somewhat unique situation. I would understand and agree that someone needing a service dog would typically not be in a position to become immersed in training.
 
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