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I’m currently dealing with the knuckling over of my puppy. She started doing it at 8 weeks old and is now 11 weeks and much better. What I see in your picture it’s very mild/the begin stage. Don’t want to scare you but it can get worse before it gets better. But the prognosis is usually great. So keep your head up.
I got my information from an orthopedic specialist and a physiotherapist. (and reading a lot online).
The medical name is “carpal laxity syndrome”. It basically means the muscles aren’t strong enough to hold the puppy’s weight. (or the muscle is too long/short/whatever). It happens mostly in medium and giant size dogs. Things you can do:
  • do not overfeed. How heavier your pup is, how harder it is for him to hold himself.
  • keep his growth as slow as possible. I read you feed Royal Canin (I did too, but switched). The proteine, calcium and phosfor is a little bit on the high side in this brand). You should feed a brand with lower proteine (under 24%). Calcium should be 1 and phosfor 0,8. I can’t recommend you a brand because I’m from a different country and you probably dont have the same there. Also watch out with the treats, read the ingredients, a lot of proteine and calcium is a NO.
  • you can supplement vitamine C. I give my puppy 500mg a day. Some people give really high doses of 1500mg. You should decide for yourself. (I don’t really know a lot about supplements so I keep it on the safe side ;) ). The brand you should use is “ester C”, there are different types of vit C and your dog can’t absorb them all. So buy ester C and you’re safe. I know ester C has calcium in it, but it’s okay in this case.
  • do stretching excerices with your puppy. let him stand with his front paw on something high. Let him put weight on it, and help him in the correct position. Or teach him to shake hands (give paw). be creative. It’s all about getting the muscles stronger in the wrist. Every movement where your dog is standing the correct way is helping. Go swimming if the tempreture allows it.
  • if the knuckling gets really bad you can use a brace / bandage. But it’s not your first choice because it slows the muscle growth. Only do this if the knucking gets worse.
The knuckling should go away in a few weeks. If you don’t trust it go to your vet and make some pictures. warning: a lot of vets don’t know anything about this problem or how to handle it. Some give horrible advice like supplementing calcium which will make things only worse.

okay this is all I know, sorry for my english, it’s not my own language haha. good luck with your pup!
 

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Oh, I wanted to add something. Your puppy doesn’t have to be restricted to crate rest or things like that. He can just walk around. If you let him run free outside, it’s okay. But make it short. Don’t let him get really tired, because it will probably make the knuckling worse or the paws shaking. Short but frequent walks are better than long tiring walks.
 

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I think I can help you.
I’m currently dealing with the knuckling over of my puppy. She started doing it at 8 weeks old and is now 11 weeks and much better. What I see in your picture it’s very mild/the begin stage. Don’t want to scare you but it can get worse before it gets better. But the prognosis is usually great. So keep your head up.
I got my information from an orthopedic specialist and a physiotherapist. (and reading a lot online).
The medical name is “carpal laxity syndrome”. It basically means the muscles aren’t strong enough to hold the puppy’s weight. (or the muscle is too long/short/whatever). It happens mostly in medium and giant size dogs. Things you can do:
  • do not overfeed. How heavier your pup is, how harder it is for him to hold himself.
  • keep his growth as slow as possible. I read you feed Royal Canin (I did too, but switched). The proteine, calcium and phosfor is a little bit on the high side in this brand). You should feed a brand with lower proteine (under 24%). Calcium should be 1 and phosfor 0,8. I can’t recommend you a brand because I’m from a different country and you probably dont have the same there. Also watch out with the treats, read the ingredients, a lot of proteine and calcium is a NO.
  • you can supplement vitamine C. I give my puppy 500mg a day. Some people give really high doses of 1500mg. You should decide for yourself. (I don’t really know a lot about supplements so I keep it on the safe side ;) ). The brand you should use is “ester C”, there are different types of vit C and your dog can’t absorb them all. So buy ester C and you’re safe. I know ester C has calcium in it, but it’s okay in this case.
  • do stretching excerices with your puppy. let him stand with his front paw on something high. Let him put weight on it, and help him in the correct position. Or teach him to shake hands (give paw). be creative. It’s all about getting the muscles stronger in the wrist. Every movement where your dog is standing the correct way is helping. Go swimming if the tempreture allows it.
  • if the knuckling gets really bad you can use a brace / bandage. But it’s not your first choice because it slows the muscle growth. Only do this if the knucking gets worse.
The knuckling should go away in a few weeks. If you don’t trust it go to your vet and make some pictures. warning: a lot of vets don’t know anything about this problem or how to handle it. Some give horrible advice like supplementing calcium which will make things only worse.

okay this is all I know, sorry for my english, it’s not my own language haha. good luck with your pup!
Thank you SO much for this informative post!! It was incredibly helpful and reassuring!😊
 

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Oh, I wanted to add something. Your puppy doesn’t have to be restricted to crate rest or things like that. He can just walk around. If you let him run free outside, it’s okay. But make it short. Don’t let him get really tired, because it will probably make the knuckling worse or the paws shaking. Short but frequent walks are better than long tiring walks.
Or even better - take him places where he gets to run loose. At 10 weeks old, they don't need a ton of exercise! :)
 

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How is your puppy doing now?
The problem is still there. To be honest it’s hard to tell if it’s any better or any worse! His right leg seems to be a little worse and will shake at times but it does not slow him down at all!! He’s quite a little character. We saw at the vet yesterday and she had a hard time diagnosing what it actually was. We got a referral to the local Veterinary teaching hospital and I’ve already made an appointment there. I’ve added the vitamin C to his daily diet and also I’m in the process of changing His kibble. I really hope by the time his appointment comes at the veterinary teaching hospital that the issue would’ve resolved itself. He such a happy active good boy it is very hard to believe this is anything serious.

Thanks for asking 🐶
 

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I don't think you need t worry about it, very common in GR puppies. I would move to a "large breed puppy" food (gradually). Around teething time they can also go "down in the pasterns" and feet splay, it will pass.
 

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Thanks for the update. Yeah, knuckling doesn’t cause pain to your puppy. So it’s normal that he is still running around haha. And the shaking is normal too. My puppy did it all the time when she was knuckling over.
Good that you’re changing his food!
The general vet isn’t educated on this problem. So it doesn’t surprise me he referred you to the hospital. Always good to check things out, even if it’s only for your own stress level lol
Your puppy is gonna be fine!
 

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Glad you updated. Like I mentioned earlier, most vets wouldn't see this- it's so typical they probably don't even notice, and unless they themselves are breeders/competitors, it probably just looks like every other quick growing puppy's legs. To a breeder/exhibitor, it looks like an easy fix that is nutritional and a function of growth. I call it dropped pasterns, some call it knuckling- same thing though and by the time he's been worked up to 500 mg a couple times a day without GI distress he will be over it!
 

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I want to thank everyone for your advice and support and knowledge . It has truly set my mind at ease and given me the info to help my baby. I have had dogs my whole life and this boy is something special❤
 

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This happened to us and went away as he got bigger :). Made me so nervous the first time I saw it but it's not a problem at all anymore. Our vet was unfamiliar with it but was pretty unconcerned. I've got all sorts of video of just the same thing happening as you describe and show.
 

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I am so glad! It's a pretty normal thing to have happen, which is why most vets don't even see it.
 

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Hello!! I was recommended on another tread I posted to start some Vitmin C as well and I was wondering about the dosage. I saw Prism recommended around 250mg starting? For how Long should I give this for to straighten things out?

Pic of my 4 month old and his knobby front legs!!




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Hello!! I was recommended on another tread I posted to start some Vitmin C as well and I was wondering about the dosage. I saw Prism recommended around 250mg starting? For how Long should I give this for to straighten things out?

Pic of my 4 month old and his knobby front legs!!




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Prism posted this on the first page of this thread-it's post #5-

human tablets, not chewable since they may have sweeteners. Just stick a 250 in his food.
start with half of one, then go to a whole then one and a half. If you go too fast he'll get diarrhea.
Prism also posted this above, it's post #31-


Glad you updated. Like I mentioned earlier, most vets wouldn't see this- it's so typical they probably don't even notice, and unless they themselves are breeders/competitors, it probably just looks like every other quick growing puppy's legs. To a breeder/exhibitor, it looks like an easy fix that is nutritional and a function of growth. I call it dropped pasterns, some call it knuckling- same thing though and by the time he's been worked up to 500 mg a couple times a day without GI distress he will be over it!
 

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Be absolutely certain you do not buy chewable tablets that have sweeteners in them. Just get the plain old (or if you want more bioavailable, the esterC) tablets not meant to be palatable for humans.
 
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