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Looking at a new puppy and the father has this about his eye. PRA status: Carrier (Optigen 09-2369) Does this mean the puppys will have a good chance of having eye issues?

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Hi Mike, you may want to ask one of the mods to change your title to PRA. I know nothing about eyes, but I do know about PDA (heart) which is why I clicked on your thread. I would hate for you to miss out on some good advice due to the title of your thread.
 

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It's ok if the dog is bred to a bitch that is not a carrier. If you breed carrier to carrier, you will have affecteds. If the status of the bitch is unknown, I would walk away...
 
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PRA is progressive retinal atrophy. Affected dogs go blind.
 

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Hi Mike, you may want to ask one of the mods to change your title to PRA. I know nothing about eyes, but I do know about PDA (heart) which is why I clicked on your thread. I would hate for you to miss out on some good advice due to the title of your thread.
Hi Foster Mom, any idea how to get ahold of a mod?

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Try going to your edit button and select advanced. I think you can change the title that way.
 

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MIKE: you can go to your post and edit and choose advanced and when the title bar comes up, type in there Change the Title to PRA and see if it works. If not go to Private Messages and Private Msg. ADMIN or Rob's GR's and ask that they change the title. Be sure to include the link to your topic or the title of your topic: PDA Carrier
 
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Hi Mike, do you mean PRA-GR1 or prcd-PRA? Either way both are simple dominant/recessive so if he is a carrier and bred to a clear dog, you will get either clear or carrier puppies. Carrier dogs are NOT AFFECTED IN ANY WAY. There is NO way they will develop PRA. I would not have a problem taking a pup sired by a PRA carrier so long as the dam was also tested and is CLEAR. Best of luck.
 
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Hi Mike, do you mean PRA-GR1 or prcd-PRA? Either way both are simple dominant/recessive so if he is a carrier and bred to a clear dog, you will get either clear or carrier puppies. Carrier dogs are NOT AFFECTED IN ANY WAY. There is NO way they will develop PRA. I would not have a problem taking a pup sired by a PRA carrier so long as the dam was also tested and is CLEAR. Best of luck.
Agreed! What you will need to look for now is whether the mom has had the genetic test as well, and for the form of PRA that dad is a carrier of--there are two forms for which there are genetic tests now, both of which can be done through Optigen. So find out which one it is (prcd-PRA or PRA1) and then check to see that mom has also been tested for it--or that she has "clear by parentage" status in which case they should be able to provide you with clear test results for BOTH of her parents.

I have a lovely boy, Winter, who is a PRA1 carrier and I will only allow him to be used on bitches who have genetically tested CLEAR. I would hope that the stud dog owner would be equally vigilant about this since they have done the responsible thing in the first place by having him tested. We have the tool now that allows us to use dogs responsibly instead of simply culling entire lines from the gene pool.
 
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Hi Mike, do you mean PRA-GR1 or prcd-PRA? Either way both are simple dominant/recessive so if he is a carrier and bred to a clear dog, you will get either clear or carrier puppies. Carrier dogs are NOT AFFECTED IN ANY WAY. There is NO way they will develop PRA. I would not have a problem taking a pup sired by a PRA carrier so long as the dam was also tested and is CLEAR. Best of luck.
Hi K9 design
The mother is cleared, this is all new to me so Im trying to learn as much as I can before I buy a puppy. This is the mom's pedigree.
Call name: "Rayne"
Gender: F
Country of origin: USA
Registration: AKC SR52050503
Breeder: lori carlson
Owner: Judi Haag
Microchip/Tattoo # 985121008268656
Hip clearance: OFA GR-102151G27-VPI
Eye clearance: CERF GR 45005/2011-30
Heart clearance: OFA GR-CA20600/36F/P-VPI
Elbow clearance: OFA GR-EL23228F26-NOPI
PRA status: Clear

Dads pedigree
Call name: "Rocky"
Gender: M
Country of origin: USA
Registration: AKC SR55089802
Breeder: Renee Schulte
Owner: Renee Schulte
Web site: Wynwood Golden Retrievers - Michigan
Hip clearance: OFA GR-104124E30M-VPI
Eye clearance: CERF GR-44537 (10,11)
Heart clearance: OFA GR-CA18090/15M/C-VPI
Elbow clearance: OFA GR-EL25162M30-VPI
PRA status: Carrier (Optigen 09-2369)

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Okay--knowing that the dad is Renee's Rocky, the bitch will be clear for real (I would still like to see a report number on her...) but Renee would not do the breeding with the chance of producing affecteds. Renee is very experienced and respected and really does her best to produce healthy, typey dogs, with intelligence, bird drive and trainability. I know her Rocky and adore him--he is a lovely boy and a fabulous worker. And mom's pedigree is pretty darned nice, too. There are a lot of fabulous dogs stacked up there including one who has produced very well for me. I'd take a pup from this if I was looking for one!
 

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The dam of this litter has a heart clearance by a practitioner, this should be completed by a board certified cardiologist.

I have no knowledge of these lines or anything specific but just noticed that and thought I would point it out; as I would want to see heart clearances by a cardiologist for both parents (at the minimum a specialist).

Also the mother of the dam is missing a hip clearances (maybe was done by penn hip so I would ask about that).
 

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I agree with Kim, practitioner heart clearances are a pet peeve of mine.
I or my husband could do them on our dogs, we don't. Four years ago, I was going to breed to a dog with a cardiac practitioner clearance . I offered to pay for a cardiologist clearance, they did it themselves and it turned out he had a heart murmur the practitioner did not find.
 

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I also want to see a cardiologist clearance rather than practicioner--but it is better than no clearance at all!

Her mom came from Docs Goldens, down in Texas. From what I understand Mike does Penn-Hip. I'd just ask for paperwork from the bitch owner--she should be able to show you copies of the clearances on her girl's parents.
 
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