[themissingpen]

I need advice on how to word some inquiries I'm making. I've connected with Cheryl from MagicGold Goldens and Edwina from Emberain Goldens, and Edwina has offered to forward me to people she's studding her boy Punch out to (AGCH MACH 5 Emberain Red Rum Punch SH MXS2 PDS MJG2 PJS MFC TQX T2B5 WCX CCA ADHF) "if things don't work out with Cheryl", who is breeding in the near future. However, I'm really interested in agility, flyball, and maybe rally + obedience; I'm not really interested in field trials at all (my friend's family breeds and trials with AKC vizslas, and it's just not very appealing to me besides the being-out-in-nature part).

I've heard a lot about how reputable breeders become your mentor and a resource for getting involved in the dog world, so would it be better for me to choose Emberain? Would it be rude of me to ask her to refer me to the breeders she mentioned? Then again, how involved are stud dogs' owners involved in their puppy owners' lives? Edwina herself won't be breeding any time soon.

 

[CAROLINA MOM]

Bumping up

 

[hotel4dogs]

It would not be rude.
The involvement of the stud dog owner varies widely. I'm very involved with many of my boy's offspring from many different litters, but some puppy owners have told me that that's not the norm.
You should ask the stud dog owner!

I need advice on how to word some inquiries I'm making. I've connected with Cheryl from MagicGold Goldens and Edwina from Emberain Goldens, and Edwina has offered to forward me to people she's studding her boy Punch out to (AGCH MACH 5 Emberain Red Rum Punch SH MXS2 PDS MJG2 PJS MFC TQX T2B5 WCX CCA ADHF) "if things don't work out with Cheryl", who is breeding in the near future. However, I'm really interested in agility, flyball, and maybe rally + obedience; I'm not really interested in field trials at all (my friend's family breeds and trials with AKC vizslas, and it's just not very appealing to me besides the being-out-in-nature part).

I've heard a lot about how reputable breeders become your mentor and a resource for getting involved in the dog world, so would it be better for me to choose Emberain? Would it be rude of me to ask her to refer me to the breeders she mentioned? Then again, how involved are stud dogs' owners involved in their puppy owners' lives? Edwina herself won't be breeding any time soon.

 

[Prism Goldens]

It looks to me like Punch has one Q for OS, and another right on the brink. It takes 5. That puts you in a good position to get her help since if you achieve with your Punch kid it'd be #3 for him... SDO's are often not even aware of where the pups go, there is actually a thread right now on a breeder list on FB on this very thing, knowing where the pups are @ and touching base with the owners. Your relationship will initially be with the breeder of course but perhaps the SDO can help you evaluate the litter, if the breeder would welcome evals ? And perhaps she'd act as a mentor for you.?

 

[themissingpen]

It would not be rude.
The involvement of the stud dog owner varies widely. I'm very involved with many of my boy's offspring from many different litters, but some puppy owners have told me that that's not the norm.
You should ask the stud dog owner!

OK I’ll definitely ask then! Can I ask what your involvement in your boys’ puppies looks like? Is it because of what Prism mentioned?

 

[themissingpen]

It looks to me like Punch has one Q for OS, and another right on the brink. It takes 5. That puts you in a good position to get her help since if you achieve with your Punch kid it'd be #3 for him... SDO's are often not even aware of where the pups go, there is actually a thread right now on a breeder list on FB on this very thing, knowing where the pups are @ and touching base with the owners. Your relationship will initially be with the breeder of course but perhaps the SDO can help you evaluate the litter, if the breeder would welcome evals ? And perhaps she'd act as a mentor for you.?

Sorry for all the questions in advance; what you said is all so new and exciting to me! Does the 1 Q for an OS mean a qualifier for an obedience skill (I tried googling but came up empty)? Did you get that from one of Punch’s titles? Do dogs get extra titles from the achievements of their offspring?

Also, I’m sure this is the dumbest question ever, but if he has 1 Q now and I achieve with one of his puppies... why would he then have 3?

 

[ceegee]

I'm in regular contact with the owner of my dog's sire. It's fun to share his achievements with her, and she's always pleased to receive updates. I send several updates a year, with photos and videos, and we have also connected on Facebook so she can follow his exploits in real time.

 

[Prism Goldens]

Sorry for all the questions in advance; what you said is all so new and exciting to me! Does the 1 Q for an OS mean a qualifier for an obedience skill (I tried googling but came up empty)? Did you get that from one of Punch’s titles? Do dogs get extra titles from the achievements of their offspring?

Also, I’m sure this is the dumbest question ever, but if he has 1 Q now and I achieve with one of his puppies... why would he then have 3?

Here is the point scale- it's the same as the VC program-https://grca.org/about-grca/grca-events-titles-and-awards-for-dogs/grca-awards/versatility-vc-and-versatility-excellent-vcx-awards/
One Q can be a 5+6 combo (in one dog) and the rest have to be 7 points to be a Q. There is one offspring who has that, another w an open agility title (so next level will Q that dog) and then assume your own will be #3. It takes 5 for the boys, and a minimum of 48 points between those 5.
To my mind, venue of choice is first goal, then versatility title, then outstanding sire/dam.

 

[themissingpen]

There is one offspring who has that, another w an open agility title (so next level will Q that dog) and then assume your own will be #3.

Just to confirm that I'm understanding you correctly:

OS = Outstanding Sire from https://grca.org/events/grca-titles-awards-and-designations/
According to the specs for the OS title and this list of Punch's offspring, Punch has these titled pups:

1. Delta Gold My Girl Friday OA NAJ OF ----------------------------> +5+0+0 -> doesn't qualify (DQ)
2. Delta Gold Eye of the Storm RN ----------------------------------> +0 (DQ)
3. Shasta Golden's Summer's Albion,Star Of Jolly Mon SDRA ---> +0 (DQ)
4. Magicgold Spiced Rum on the Rocks WC -----------------------> +3 (DQ)
5. Emberain Coming Full Circle TD ----------------------------------> +4 (DQ)
6. Emberain Howling Commando RN OA OAJ OF TKI WC -------> +0+5+0+0+0+3 (Q!)
7. Emberain Witch Way To Coppertop TD --------------------------> +4 (DQ)
8. Emberain Mossy Oak JH MXB MJB MXF T2B WC ADHF ------> +4+0+0+0+0+0+0 (DQ)

I guess Dog #8 in the list above has the open agility title? It seems like the ADHF for #8 should have Q'd her, since it requires both a MX and MXJ anyway according to the GRCA requirements here.

 

[Prism Goldens]

Dog # 6 and #1 is the open agility- and it's not a total of points, has to be 7+ points in one title to make a Q dog..
#8 is the only Q now.
Agility has jumper titles and standard titles- either one of them would do- #1 for instance, has a novice jumpers title and open standard agility title.

 

[Prism Goldens]

HOF honors are a totally different thing.
The dog would first have to have the MACH, which goes in front of the name- that's after going through the novice, open and excellent agility titles plus there are other point requirements for the MACH.

 

[themissingpen]

Dog # 6 and #1 is the open agility- and it's not a total of points, has to be 7+ points in one title to make a Q dog..
#8 is the only Q now.

Ohhhh my bad, thank you for taking the time to explain all this to me! I think this all makes much more sense.