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Hi everyone!

I’m very excited to be getting my first puppy this summer. As I am new to this all, I have put in many hours during the last 4-5 months into researching breeders, dogs, clearances, the process, etc. Joining this forum has been an invaluable resource during this learning process. I have found some great breeders, each who I have researched in detail and have heard great things about. Although my puppy will be a family pet and will not be competing in shows, it is important to me that she comes from a healthy pedigree with all clearances. Although I have worked hard to understand all aspects of this, I would love any further help. This forum is such a helpful community with members much more experienced than me. Any feedback would be great!

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Brevmac:
https://www.brevmac.com/

Ch Braefield a Dove for Brevmac X GCh Belcanto's Balladeer for Brevmac

Dam:
Ch Braefield a Dove for Brevmac (Dove)

Dam parents:
Ch Dutch Consolidation Sunday Mirror X Multi Ch. Majik Truth Or Dare

Sire:
'Brogan' GCh Belcanto's Balladeer for Brevmac

Sire parents:
Ch Trewater Made to Measure X Mood Shadow de Ria Vela

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Fort Knox:

1. Sookie x Ohoh

Dam: “Sookie” Fortknox's Fairy Blood

Sire: “OhOh” CanCH Dreamworks Whadudo This Time

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2. Rigby x ???

Sire: Fortknox’s Eleanor Rigby
Dam: Currently unknown


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Goldnote Golden Retrievers:
https://goldenretrieversontario.com/

1. Phryne x Logan - https://goldenretrieversontario.com/litter/phryne-and-logan/

Dam: Goldnote's Miss Phryne Fisher - "Phryne"

Sire: CanCh Kyon's Daylight Saving Time - "Logan"

2. Ruby x Dillon - https://goldenretrieversontario.com/litter/ruby-and-dillon/

Dam: “Ruby” Goldnote's Little Deuce Coupe

Sire: “Dillon” Can CH. Chrys-haefen Flying with Kyon


3. Foxy x Parker - https://goldenretrieversontario.com/litter/foxy-and-parker/

Dam: “Foxy” CanCH Goldnote's Femme Fatal

Sire: “Parker” Can CH. Kyon Can't Get No Satisfaction


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Blackpool Golden Retrievers:
https://www.blackpoolkennels.com/

Serein x Higgins and Odell x Higgins

Dam:
1. “Serein” CanCH. Serein Diamonds Of Blackpool
Parents: Blackpool’s Ice Diamond x CanCh. Blackpool The Ice Chip

2. “Odell” Blackpool Odell Castle
Parents: CanCH, JCh Mk RAYNOX Heart of Gold x Blackpool Game On

Sire:
“Higgins” Alubyc Send in the Clowns to Zenevieva
-an import from Australia
Parents: Montego Absolute Truth x Goldmartini Secretangelkiss (AI)


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Kid Raised Kennels:
https://www.kidraisedkennels.ca/

Jewlz x Crewe

Dam:
“Jewlz” Kidraised Diamond In The Ruff

Dam Parents: Am GCH/Can GCH Chestnut All The World's A Stage BISS x Kidraised Stargazin Lily

Sire:
“Crewe” Can.Ch. Bowbell's Rigged'n Ready

Sire Parents: Am. Can. Ch. Ambertru's Hard 2B Humble OS x DoveCottage Dancin with DJ
 

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I would pass on the Brevmac litter. No current eye test posted to OFA for either sire or dam. They may have them just not posted. No heart clearance posted for dam, her dam doesn't have any clearances on OFA and they appear to be breeding dogs with elbow dysplasia on both sire & dam. Not good. They boast on their site that they have the 4 clearances but don't tell you they have failed clearances and bred them anyway.

Maybe someone else can take a look. But you have quite a long list, so maybe you could narrow the list by looking on OFA.org yourself to confirm there are heart (by cardiologist) current eye (within 12 months) hips & elbows. If you see hips and no elbows it usually means they failed. If you see something else in that field it just means they were willing to show the failed exam.

If they have genetic testing make sure they didn't breed an ICT affected with anything other than clear.
 

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Thanks so much for the quick response!

We have been trying our best to understand all the clearances on OFA and did notice the Brevmac Dam's elbows being a concern. In terms of the heart and eye testing, all the breeders have indicated that these clearances are complete but it does not appear many are updated on OFA.org. Is this common as they are required every 12 months and therefore may just not be updated on the site?

This is an extensive list and we are having a tough time narrowing things down. We have heard many good reviews about all of these places in our research. Although we are not yet sure, based on timing and logistics, Goldnote Goldens seems to make a lot of sense for us. One thing we noticed however is that the Foxy x Parker parents (https://goldenretrieversontario.com/...xy-and-parker/) appear to have the same grandparent (Tashora The Odds Are At Kyon). We assume this inbreeding/lack of genetic variability isn't good, but are not sure? We have heard so much about how much detail and research they put into matching specific parents, so this was a surprise to us. Can anyone speak further about this, do we have the right to be concerned?


Thanks again and any advice regarding these kennels or any others listed would be greatly appreciated!
 

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I don't know about the other 2 kennels...but I have boarded a few dogs from Blackpool kennels. All of them had great temperaments, and lived long, healthy lives. The last Blackpool dog that boarded with me was 14 years old when the owner put him to sleep because his legs gave out. All of the owner's were happy with the breeder and said she was available to them anytime. Blackpool used to work with Kyon…..using some of their dogs in their breeding program. Not sure if they still do ?...it's been awhile since I looked.
 

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A note about eye clearances:

I personally feel that an eye clearance that is a few months out of date is no problem. Indeed, even though I'm scrupulous in maintaining clearances on our dogs, I will often let eye clearances go a month or few beyond their expiration before renewing them. It's often a matter of convenience. With 7 dogs in the house it's a lot to get each one to a specialist each year. We often wait until there are eye clearances being done at a show or a local health clinic, and then we'll take multiple dogs there and get them done all at once.

But IMHO they should always be posted on the OFA website. It's cheap and easy. $8 for recertifications. I can do five dogs for $40. I'm always suspicious of breeders who do not post eye results on OFA. In fact, I have seen them faked by an unscrupulous breeder. I even called the vet listed on the faked clearance and we took action against the breeder (without much success, but that's a whole other discussion).

To sum up: clearances a bit out of date, no big deal. Clearances not on OFA, suspicious.

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Thanks so much for the quick response!

We have been trying our best to understand all the clearances on OFA and did notice the Brevmac Dam's elbows being a concern. In terms of the heart and eye testing, all the breeders have indicated that these clearances are complete but it does not appear many are updated on OFA.org. Is this common as they are required every 12 months and therefore may just not be updated on the site?

This is an extensive list and we are having a tough time narrowing things down. We have heard many good reviews about all of these places in our research. Although we are not yet sure, based on timing and logistics, Goldnote Goldens seems to make a lot of sense for us. One thing we noticed however is that the Foxy x Parker parents (https://goldenretrieversontario.com/...xy-and-parker/) appear to have the same grandparent (Tashora The Odds Are At Kyon). We assume this inbreeding/lack of genetic variability isn't good, but are not sure? We have heard so much about how much detail and research they put into matching specific parents, so this was a surprise to us. Can anyone speak further about this, do we have the right to be concerned?
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Thanks again and any advice regarding these kennels or any others listed would be greatly appreciated!
I am with Dana. I have seen people falsify eye clearances. The thing is, it is CHEAP to send to OFA, it is a part of the Code of Ethics to send them in, and once there, OFA compares to the copy sent directly from the ophthalmologist...if that's not worth $8 a year, don't make puppies. Not only that, I hear people ALL the time saying things that are just stupid- 'they can call me if they want to see eyes' or whatever... that dog if reproducing is going to leave a footprint. And YOU are not going to live forever. It's just irresponsible imo.
 

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Dana is spot on.. if you have a history of normal eye exams there is a good chance it's sitting in a pile somewhere to be mailed in. But Robin is exactly right. I have one of those pups where the sire & dam breeder (she owned both, this is a red flag I totally missed) had them but not sent in. Had I taken the time to do my homework I would have realized there were eye issues on sire & dam, just 3 generations back there is PU on both sire and dams history. Just guessing but not sure how authentic the "normal" report was as clearly neither dog was normal.
As it turned out the sire could no longer pass an exam but breeder wouldn't say why, dam was tested shortly after pups were sold and had cataratas... which in itself isn't a big deal but when I finally did the homework it explained why my girl could not pass an eye exam. She hit the motherload from both sides and has all sorts of genetic eye problems.

Maybe I'm biased but if you take the time to get the exam and plan on breeding it's just not that much trouble to send them to OFA.

You still have a really long list, is there someone that you are really interested in?
 

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Wow, thanks so much for the great responses everyone! My husband and I are learning so much. Very happy to hear even more great things about Blackpool. Also, what you both are saying about the eye clearances makes complete sense to me, I will be sure I'm looking into that.

Although we are hoping to narrow things down further when we go visit a few places again over the next couple weeks, I would say just based on logistics, our current front runners are the Goldnote litters and Blackpool litter. It appears there may be some concern with the Brevmac litter and the timing of Fort Knox and Kidraised doesn't line up as perfectly as we would like.

Any of the 3 Goldnote litters works with our schedule, with the Ruby x Dillon (https://goldenretrieversontario.com/...by-and-dillon/) and Foxy x Parker (https://goldenretrieversontario.com/...xy-and-parker/) probably making the most sense. Again, we are unsure if we should be concerned about the matching grandparents between Foxy and Parker (Tashora The Odds Are At Kyon). Not only does this make us concerned about this litter, but the breeder in general. However, all the reviews we have found have been spectacular about Goldnote.

For the Blackpool litter (“Serein” CanCH. Serein Diamonds Of Blackpool OR “Odell” Blackpool Odell Castle x “Higgins” Alubyc Send in the Clowns to Zenevieva), our biggest concern is just that Higgins is an import from Australia and is not on OFA, making it tricky for us.

We're excited to be at this final important stage of making our final decision and any further help would be tremendous. Multiple things have already been pointed out that I would not have considered on my own!
 
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