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Has anyone ever gotten their golden from Ox kill farm. (Ox Kill Farm - Shire Horses)

I visited there today and saw their 9 puppies. The male is totally cleared and certified. Her female is only OFA hip and elbow cleared. The grandmother was there and she was 13.

She also stated she would guarantee the puppies for all hereditary conditions. She doesn't have a contract.

I am curious to see if anyone has gotten a puppy from this place before.
 

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There really isn't anything to go on from the website. Just make sure they have all their clearances (Meaning Hip, elbows, cardiac (by a cardiologist) and yearly CERFS). This is the minimum they should have. Do they compete their dogs in any way? That is also something to look for.
 

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No contract but a guarantee? How do you expect to enforce this if an issue arises?

I adopted a dog from a rescue--his AKC papers were in his adoption packet. His parents had hip and elbow clearances, but not heart and eye clearances....We just spent thousands of dollars on a double cataract surgery for him and we've already spent a lot of money diagnosing his heart issues involving his mitral valves. Take it from me, if you are buying a dog from a breeder, you need to spend your money wisely and get a dog whose parents have all the clearances.
 

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Looking at k9data.com, with the Ox Kill prefix, I found Ox Kill Lucky Shamrock, Shammy, who has no clearances listed on OFA, not even hips and elbows. Shammy produced one litter, with a daughter, Marti, who is not old enough to be bred or have final hip/elbow clearances.

Ox Kill Serendipity 07 has hips and elbows, but no clearances listed on her mother. Clearances are spotty on several other Ox Kill dogs listed on OFA,with the exception of Natasha, who appears to be owned by someone else.

I would ask to see full clearances-OFA final clearances on hips and elbows (or PennHip on hips and OFA on elbows), a heart clearance by a cardiologist and annual eye clearances-on both parents. There should be clearances on grandparents and great grandparents as well. If you have the registered names, you can at least check hips and elbows at Orthopedic Foundation for Animals If eye and heart clearances are not listed on OFA, you would need to ask to see copies of the clearances. There is a thread in the Forum on what clearances look like.

I would also ask about the guarantee-what does that mean to her, and are you comfortable with it? What does she consider hereditary conditions? Does she require the return of the original puppy and if so, could you do that?
 

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The female is OFA cleared for hips and elbow. The only clearances she does not have are eyes and heart. The breeder is a vet and says she checks her heart and eye herself and everything is okay. Her guarantee is that she will replace or refund the purchase price of the puppy if anything is found to be hereditary or congenital.
 

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Looking at k9data.com, with the Ox Kill prefix, I found Ox Kill Lucky Shamrock, Shammy, who has no clearances listed on OFA, not even hips and elbows. Shammy produced one litter, with a daughter, Marti, who is not old enough to be bred or have final hip/elbow clearances.

Ox Kill Serendipity 07 has hips and elbows, but no clearances listed on her mother. Clearances are spotty on several other Ox Kill dogs listed on OFA,with the exception of Natasha, who appears to be owned by someone else.

I did this exact same search. Seems like they don't do a lot of clearances and they also don't have any titled dogs, except for one in 1994 and one in 1975. I would probably look elsewhere. I think you can do better, but JMO.
 

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I have to admit the name turns me off a little.
 

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The female is OFA cleared for hips and elbow. The only clearances she does not have are eyes and heart. The breeder is a vet and says she checks her heart and eye herself and everything is okay. Her guarantee is that she will replace or refund the purchase price of the puppy if anything is found to be hereditary or congenital.
To me, that is worse! There is no excuse, she should know better!! And u can not get an eye Cerf from a regular Dvm! I would pass, but call the breeder with all these questions.
 

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Eye and heart checks need to be done by a specialist. A general vet does not have the training to do the indepth exams needed. Eyes need to be checked ( CERF ) yearly. Personally, our very good general vet thought the girls eyes looked good from what he could see. However, when the ophthalmologist examined... with dilated eyes and more extensive equipment, pigment and cysts were visible..... most important to know with the prevalence of pigmentary uveitis in our breed.
 

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The female is OFA cleared for hips and elbow. The only clearances she does not have are eyes and heart. The breeder is a vet and says she checks her heart and eye herself and everything is okay. Her guarantee is that she will replace or refund the purchase price of the puppy if anything is found to be hereditary or congenital.
We have breeder vets on the Forum, and they do not check hearts and eyes themselves. These checks need to be performed by specialists, not general practitioners. They are trained, with special equipment, and as Betty said above, often pick up things regular vets miss.

I would pass, if it were me.
 

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Has anyone ever gotten their golden from Ox kill farm. (Ox Kill Farm - Shire Horses)

I visited there today and saw their 9 puppies. The male is totally cleared and certified. Her female is only OFA hip and elbow cleared. The grandmother was there and she was 13.

She also stated she would guarantee the puppies for all hereditary conditions. She doesn't have a contract.

I am curious to see if anyone has gotten a puppy from this place before.
They don't have much to go on from the website.

The information is spotty, but from what is available their overall pedigree's over the long term (five to ten generations) don't look too bad if you're looking for a conformation type dog.

Is every I dotted and every T perfectly crossed? Nope, but you could do a whole lot worse.

Talk to the breeder, look at their dogs, check out the litter, and check references from past customers. They have been around long enough that they should have a long list of repeat customers if they're doing things right and treating people fairly.

After you've done your homework trust your instincts. If you're comfortable with the breeder go with it. If you feel apprehensive go the other way.
 

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Madigan, what is your area- geographical limit for a puppy? I know we can help find you a litter with all clearances etc so you wouldnt have an uneasy feeling. This is your second thread with ambivalent feelings about the breeder, so clearly a little voice is telling you you're not totally comfortable. Did you not have success with any of the breeders from the list on the other thread?



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Another good choice is Harborview in PA.
 

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Ox Kill farms was recommended by another breeder that I was recommended from one of the golden retriever clubs.

I have tried all those on the list. Painting refused to sell us a puppy because I have an invisible fence and my wife and I work 8-5.
 

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The name Ox Kill may sound like an onerous name for a breeding farm, but here in eastern NY, which was settled by the Dutch in the 1600's, kill means creek.

thats from the web site
 

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So I got the clearances though the OFFA.

The father shows the following:
GR-91205G24M-PI HIPS Oct 27 2006 Nov 15 2006 24 GOOD
GR-EL14631M24-PI ELBOW Oct 27 2006 Nov 15 2006 24 NORMAL
GR-CA12873/19M/C-PI CARDIAC Jun 10 2006 Jul 10 2007 19 NORMAL - CARDIOLOGIST
GR-33338 CERF May 30 2009 May 30 2009 55 TESTED: 07,09

The mother only shows:
GR-99293G24F-PI HIPS Aug 3 2009 Oct 21 2009 24 GOOD
GR-EL20930F24-PI ELBOW Aug 3 2009 Oct 21 2009 24 NORMAL
 
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