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Hi everyone!

My husband and I have had our Golden, Daisy May for 3 years now. We had been very lucky and never had any health or behavioral problems with her until last June. She started having very dry patches. We noticed the one on her forehead first. Her hair started slowly getting thin in these areas. After a week or so of it getting progressively worse, we took her to the vet. He believed it was a "hot patch" and gave us medicated shampoo. It got worse...we tried steroid treatments...anti fungal treatments...switching her food 4 times (waiting 8 weeks each time)...loads of antihistamines...and searched our home for anything new we had brought in. She got worse. After our vet and holistic center both exhausted their options, we saw the best dermatologist (and most expensive vet) in NYC...nothing has worked. She barely has any fur left and we have to put shirts on her to protect herself from scratching herself raw and bleeding. Her skin is very dry and scaling with more bald patches than healthy hair. She seems happy other than the scratching, but I would love to let her run and play with other dogs again not worrying if one will scratch her badly by simple play.

Our vet's next step is an allergy test which requires her to go under anesthesia and then they might know what the allergen is. It's very expensive and would take us a few months to save up especially after spent what we have so far without any guarantee.. any help or maybe someone else out there who has seen this would be greatly appreciated!! Thank you!!

This is a before picture...and after picture.


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Your poor baby. It sounds like you are getting her seen by the specialists. One question--has she had a thyroid panel run through MSU? I would suggest that if not done already.

Our Barkley had terrible skin issues before we adopted him. The rescue did extensive skin testing and it turned out to be a staph infection and allergies (he was tested and specific environmental allergens were found). He improved with good care and a lot of love. Once we adopted him he was able to stop the allergy injections, but after a few years he had some fur loss, dry patchy fur and we ran a thyroid panel--he was hypothyroid and starting supplementation helped him. We also tried acupuncture successfully for his hips and allergies.
 

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After reading just a few lines, I agree that a thyroid check is in order with behavior changes and hair loss. These are classic signs of hypothyroidism.
 

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Oops sorry. The thyroid tests were our first tests. Our last tests were skin and hair which they ran a C and S (culture and sensitivity) for.

We ran into a neighbor that said she had luck with acupuncture. I'll look into that next. I'm up for anything as long as it helps:).
 

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Aww, poor girl. I would probably also seek out a dermatologist; they would be better able to help you, and if it is allergies, they can also get you allergy shots, too.

Acupuncture is also a good thing to consider, but I would probably go with the dermatologist first.
 
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Just a thought- has anyone ever mentioned sarcoptic mange ie dog scabies to you?

They are very hard to find under a microscope (they are seen in only about 20% of the skin scrapings that are done). They are a lot like human scabies, they burrow under the skin and lay eggs. The dog is not itchy at first but gradually, an allergic reaction sets in and they go crazy with itching.

The treatment is usually ivermectin shots or something topical like Revolution (a flea and heartworm medication) as well as treating the house. They aren't as hard to get rid of as fleas because they don't live long off of the host.
 

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Just a thought- has anyone ever mentioned sarcoptic mange ie dog scabies to you?

They are very hard to find under a microscope (they are seen in only about 20% of the skin scrapings that are done). They are a lot like human scabies, they burrow under the skin and lay eggs. The dog is not itchy at first but gradually, an allergic reaction sets in and they go crazy with itching.

The treatment is usually ivermectin shots or something topical like Revolution (a flea and heartworm medication) as well as treating the house. They aren't as hard to get rid of as fleas because they don't live long off of the host.
I was thinking the same thing... I think there was a dog (rescue) with mange who looked just as bad as your dog does right now. I hope you get to the bottom of this and get her healed up and feeling better. She looks so miserable in that one pic. :(
 

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I am so sorry. Daisy Mae looks so sad. I hope you find some answers for her. Maybe your vet will let you make payments to have the allergy tests done. Good luck in helping Daisy Mae feel better!!!
 

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If it were my dog I would want a thyroid panel run by Dr Dodds. She specializes in thyroid were as regular vets dont. She takes in age, breed and spay/neuter status where others dont.

My friends dog was tested by their regular vet and it came back fine. Dr Dodds tested the blood and came back hypothyroid. Dog was put on medication and the issue went away.

I know there is a member here who has MSU run a panel and it came back fine but Dr Dodds said the dog was hypothyroid. MSU doesnt take breed, age and spay/neuter status. So I wouldnt really go with them.

Thats just my opinion anyway take it for what its worth. Also, alot of regular vets only run the T4 portion. That alone isnt a reliable indicator...
 

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If it were my dog I would want a thyroid panel run by Dr Dodds. She specializes in thyroid were as regular vets dont. She takes in age, breed and spay/neuter status where others dont.

My friends dog was tested by their regular vet and it came back fine. Dr Dodds tested the blood and came back hypothyroid. Dog was put on medication and the issue went away.

I know there is a member here who has MSU run a panel and it came back fine but Dr Dodds said the dog was hypothyroid. MSU doesnt take breed, age and spay/neuter status. So I wouldnt really go with them.

Thats just my opinion anyway take it for what its worth. Also, alot of regular vets only run the T4 portion. That alone isnt a reliable indicator...
I agree. From what I understand, what is low-normal in most breeds is REALLY LOW for a Golden.
 

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Yeah I cant tell you how many people I know personally or have heard of that had their dogs tested at a regular vet and it came back normal and Dr Dodds said it was low. What may be cheaper as it is for me is to have your regular vet run the tests that Dr Dodds wants and just pay for a consult with Dr. Dodds and have her give you her opinion on the results.

The issue with regular vets running the panel and they are trained in reference. So for example. Any reading from 12-35 is "normal" where as 12 for some breeds is low. I just pulled those numbers out of my arse I have no idea what the actual ranges are just using that as an example.

Also, spayed/neutered dogs need to be judged differently as lets say the number is 14 in a Shepherd for instance. That number could be normal for a younger intact Shepherd but for a middle aged neutered Shepherd that may be low. Regular vets dont compare where as Dr Dodds does.

My vet told me my dog isnt fat and lazy and therefore doesnt have a thyroid problem. I am going to be running a FULL thyroid panel in the spring and have results faxed to Dr Dodds for her opinion and im willing to bet my dog has a thyroid problem. He has hairloss (not like your dog..know where near like yours lol), itching, skin issues, behavoiral issues and other little symptoms that can go along with a thyroid problem. He is NOT fat or lazy.

Personally, get Dr Dodds opinion. If you have already had the T4, T3, Free T4, Free T3, T4 anti-bodies and T3 anti-bodies test run see if Dr Dodds will give you her opinion. Here is a link

http://www.diamondsintheruff.com/HowtoAnayzeYourDogsThyroidTestResults.pdf

Dogs dont usually start showing actual notable symptoms until about 75% of the thyroid gland is already destroyed.
 

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We were hoping it was mange b/c it's easy to treat. We went ahead and tried the treatment with the revolution without any success. My husband wants to believe she developed an allergy to the cat, but it could very well be anything if it was just "developed."

I forgot to mention her eyes are very "crusty" almost resembling pink eye when it's at the worse, and we' ve noticed her anal glands become fuller faster.

Allergy testing seems like the best bet right now...

Thank you everyone.

hypothyroid or mange are the two things that occurred to me too-but your Drs have ruled them both out?
 

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We were hoping it was mange b/c it's easy to treat. We went ahead and tried the treatment with the revolution without any success. My husband wants to believe she developed an allergy to the cat, but it could very well be anything if it was just "developed."

I forgot to mention her eyes are very "crusty" almost resembling pink eye when it's at the worse, and we' ve noticed her anal glands become fuller faster.

Allergy testing seems like the best bet right now...

Thank you everyone.

The eyes and anal glands do seem to point to allergies. Good luck with your testing through your dog's specialist.
 

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Poor doggie. My dog has severe allergies, so your post resonated with me. We do allergy shots, but after years of shots, antibiotics, prednisone, and several different foods including prescription dog foods I decided enough was enough. I felt like all we were doing at the dermatology vet was putting out fires and never getting to the root of the problem. I started feeding Molly raw about two weeks ago and it has made all the difference in the world. What food are you feeding?
 

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I am so sorry your poor Daisy and you have been through this. Our Gunner has been through a similar ordeal. He goes through this cycle about once a year and has to be on steroids and antibiotics for staph from the itching. He is also hypothyroid and treated but our vet believes this is an allergy. Right now he is practically bald but his coat is growing back in slowly.
I am sending prayers for your girl. Hoping she can get some relief. We also treated for mange.
 

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Poor doggie. My dog has severe allergies, so your post resonated with me. We do allergy shots, but after years of shots, antibiotics, prednisone, and several different foods including prescription dog foods I decided enough was enough. I felt like all we were doing at the dermatology vet was putting out fires and never getting to the root of the problem. I started feeding Molly raw about two weeks ago and it has made all the difference in the world. What food are you feeding?
Ugh! We have been debating raw forever now. She was on natural balance venison but we gave up and put her back on what her breeder had her on thinking if her family line had no reactions this was a good call. We have had no relief with steroids or antihistamines and her hair/skin is crusty and falling out. It's frustrating. Are you still having relief with the raw and if you don't mind sharing what exactly you are feeding yours? We never went through with the allergy test. We were told that it sells hopes that there is a fix when there usually isn't one. We did end up treating her for hypothyroid even though she was only slightly low (most goldens are). We ve tried the shampoos, allergy meds, and the food games and she's still looking bad. We ve just been living with it and stop giving the vets money for visits that weren't helping making us not trusting them.


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Ugh! We have been debating raw forever now. She was on natural balance venison but we gave up and put her back on what her breeder had her on thinking if her family line had no reactions this was a good call. We have had no relief with steroids or antihistamines and her hair/skin is crusty and falling out. It's frustrating. Are you still having relief with the raw and if you don't mind sharing what exactly you are feeding yours? We never went through with the allergy test. We were told that it sells hopes that there is a fix when there usually isn't one. We did end up treating her for hypothyroid even though she was only slightly low (most goldens are). We ve tried the shampoos, allergy meds, and the food games and she's still looking bad. We ve just been living with it and stop giving the vets money for visits that weren't helping making us not trusting them.


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Ahh poor thing. Sorry to hear nothing is helping :( Perhaps a raw diet will help.
 
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