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Does anyone know anything about these two breeders (Once Upon a Golden & Lover's Goldens)? They are based in Stafford, VA. They are sister-in-laws who run two separate companies. They were previously located in Missouri and you can still find their website (www.storybrookegoldens.com).

I bought a pup from them a couple of months ago. She's a cutie but continues to have issues with not being able to produce a hard, solid stool. I previously owned another golden which I had to put down over the summer due to cancer. Against my better judgment, I bought the new pup without seeing the mother. They told me she was at another location when I went by. I did see the sire. I put down a deposit and went back the next day to pick up the pup. I had asked about the mother being brought onsite so I could see her. I was told she was now with a trainer prepping to go on the road for a dog show. I had been able to see pics of the mother on the website. Now, for some reason, I don't see them anymore. I'm not sure what's up with that.

The pup has had a tough bout with parasites, but now appears to be over that. She's had 2 clean fecal samples back-to-back. And she's a great pup, other than having the stool issue and being more difficult with housetraining than she should be. For some reasons, she will just poop or pee in the house even after having just gone outside. And her stools have never been hard. It's been soft server or pudding for two months. We've tried probiotics, pumpkin and a different food with no luck whatsoever.

In any event, something has just seemed a little off about this whole situation. I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with these breeders. Thanks!
 

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Does the stool ever get more normal when on medication? Sometimes it is the food and some dogs insides can't handle the richness of some of the higher quality foods.
 
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I don't know anything about the breeder, but my puppy has to continue to be fed prescription Royal Canin Puppy GI due to pudding stools. You might try that to firm her up and give her gut time to heal. He's been on it for about 3 months and was having totally normal stools, and when we attempted to move him to a regular food it went right back to pudding stools. The vet said he may need to stay on it until he is a year old.
 

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No, it really hasn't gotten any better with meds. The vet is probably going to give me a prescription for metronidazole (antibiotic). She believes that will harden the stool. However, my concern is what will happen when she's done with the meds. Will it go back to being soft again? I don't want a temporary fix.

I've switched her food. The breeder said she fed them Purina Pro Plan. The vet put her on a prescription Hill's Science Diet canned food to try and keep it bland. That hardened up only a tiny bit. I was then feeding her Redford Naturals (Pet Supplies Plus brand manufactured by some unknown leading manufacturer). But the kibble was so small (like the size of BB pellets). And she didn't show improvement with it. So I've put her on Hill's Science Diet (non-prescription) large breed puppy. Again, not hardening yet. She's been on it for 2 weeks now.

I'm considering putting her on Eukanuba. I get mixed reviews on the quality of it, but I used it with my old golden and didn't have issues. Seems like I can always find pros and cons on every food out there when I search the web.
 

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Thanks for your response. I have a AKC certificate.

The sire is listed as:
ALUBYC LORD OF THE DANCE TKN
SR95053901 08-17(EYE15 AKC DNA #V819468) (AUS)

The dam:
THEVENET CINDERELLA OF BEST OF SHOW GOLDEN'S CA TKN
SR84506201 06-17 (EYE 37)

My pup was born on 9/9/17. I don't know what all the codes above mean nor the dates. But those dates cannot be birth dates. And the parents' records were displayed on the website. Although, as mentioned, I cannot find the mother on the site anymore. The sire's records are at the link below. There are multiple docs posted. You would need to scroll through them. Looks like the sire was born on 4/20/16. The OFA showed "good" hips. My vet said that was good and that most are listed as "fair".

https://www.onceuponagolden.com/aladdin.html
 

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No, it really hasn't gotten any better with meds. The vet is probably going to give me a prescription for metronidazole (antibiotic). She believes that will harden the stool. However, my concern is what will happen when she's done with the meds. Will it go back to being soft again? I don't want a temporary fix.

I've switched her food. The breeder said she fed them Purina Pro Plan. The vet put her on a prescription Hill's Science Diet canned food to try and keep it bland. That hardened up only a tiny bit. I was then feeding her Redford Naturals (Pet Supplies Plus brand manufactured by some unknown leading manufacturer). But the kibble was so small (like the size of BB pellets). And she didn't show improvement with it. So I've put her on Hill's Science Diet (non-prescription) large breed puppy. Again, not hardening yet. She's been on it for 2 weeks now.

I'm considering putting her on Eukanuba. I get mixed reviews on the quality of it, but I used it with my old golden and didn't have issues. Seems like I can always find pros and cons on every food out there when I search the web.
That's a lot of food switches - so it may just be that her system hasn't had time to calm down following the parasites (which she may still have, despite the positives). I would do another round of Metronidazole, and switch her to Purina EN Gastroenteric if your vet sells it. It is very bland, easy to digest, and is for growth in puppies, too. Keep her on that food for several months - let her colon really calm down. When you want to switch her back to regular food, do it very slowly over a good month, introducing it very slowly, mixed in with the prescription food. When I switched off the EN, I switched to Purina Pro Plan, because the two foods were very similar ingredient-wise. Once your pup is finished the course of Metronidazole, do another 30-day round of FortiFlora (probiotic). You need to do the full 30-days - it can take that long for the guts to get rebalanced.
 

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That's a lot of food switches - so it may just be that her system hasn't had time to calm down following the parasites (which she may still have, despite the positives). I would do another round of Metronidazole, and switch her to Purina EN Gastroenteric if your vet sells it. It is very bland, easy to digest, and is for growth in puppies, too. Keep her on that food for several months - let her colon really calm down. When you want to switch her back to regular food, do it very slowly over a good month, introducing it very slowly, mixed in with the prescription food. When I switched off the EN, I switched to Purina Pro Plan, because the two foods were very similar ingredient-wise. Once your pup is finished the course of Metronidazole, do another 30-day round of FortiFlora (probiotic). You need to do the full 30-days - it can take that long for the guts to get rebalanced.
She hasn't done any rounds of Metronidazole yet, but will probably get that today. I agree with the food switches. I'm gun shy about doing yet another change. She's had 2 fecal samples both come back negative, so they believe any parasites are gone. Of course, I guess that can change. For the record, when I've done the changes, I've slowly mixed old and new to transition. I will try the probiotics again and give it a full 30 days. Thanks for the feedback. I'm really at a loss on food choice though. In this thread alone, I've had recommendations for Purina EN Gastro & Royal Canin. I've had others tell me to go with Fromm and others suggest Blue Buffalo. So I'm confused.
 

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She hasn't done any rounds of Metronidazole yet, but will probably get that today. I agree with the food switches. I'm gun shy about doing yet another change. She's had 2 fecal samples both come back negative, so they believe any parasites are gone. Of course, I guess that can change. For the record, when I've done the changes, I've slowly mixed old and new to transition. I will try the probiotics again and give it a full 30 days. Thanks for the feedback. I'm really at a loss on food choice though. In this thread alone, I've had recommendations for Purina EN Gastro & Royal Canin. I've had others tell me to go with Fromm and others suggest Blue Buffalo. So I'm confused.
For now, honestly, I'd go with a vet food. You do need a very bland, easy to digest food. Any of the vet gastro foods would be good - I only mentioned the Purina EN because I had really good results with it (my pup had giardia and coccidia and seemingly endless liquid diarrhea). The problem with the parasites, is they are hard to get positives on, and they are often there even when the fecal is negative. Also, they tend to go dormant with treatment and then come back again (it is actually more rare that they don't have at least one more flare-up after you think they are gone).

Do the Metro for sure - but don't do the probiotic at the same time as they can cancel each other out. Do a 2-week course of Metro (argue for a longer course, if your vet is suggesting 5 days), and THEN do the probiotic. All the while, feeding only bland vet food (no treats or anything - use the kibble as treats).

Hang in there... I know how tough and frustrating this can be. You WILL get past it.
 

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The good thing about the vet prescription foods is you can switch to them cold turkey.
 

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The fecal tests they have done, have they simply been fecal flotation/centrifugation looking for ova and parasites, or have they done any more specific tests such as a giardia IFA or a diarrhea panel? There are some things which just don’t show up on a regular fecal, or can show up intermittently, or can be very hard to find.

If they have done those, and they are all negative, I would recommend trying tylan (tylosin) rather than metronidazole. My pup had a very similar situation as yours. Metronidazole helped until it didn’t, at which point I finally took him to see Dr. Marks at UC Davis. I would have done it earlier, but reasons. He, being one of my old professors and a world renowned gastroenterologist, was appalled that I had been using metronidazole for symptomatic treatment of diarrhea and was pleased that by that point I had started tylosin. BTW, did I mention that within 24 hours of starting tylosin we had normal poop and that it has never relapsed except when he got into the cat food. He may need to stay on it for life, but he may not. I’ve been dealing with other issues concurrently and it’s hard to keep changing things when they are going well.

Best of luck. I know all too well how frustrating this can be!
 

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For now, honestly, I'd go with a vet food. You do need a very bland, easy to digest food. Any of the vet gastro foods would be good - I only mentioned the Purina EN because I had really good results with it (my pup had giardia and coccidia and seemingly endless liquid diarrhea). The problem with the parasites, is they are hard to get positives on, and they are often there even when the fecal is negative. Also, they tend to go dormant with treatment and then come back again (it is actually more rare that they don't have at least one more flare-up after you think they are gone).

Do the Metro for sure - but don't do the probiotic at the same time as they can cancel each other out. Do a 2-week course of Metro (argue for a longer course, if your vet is suggesting 5 days), and THEN do the probiotic. All the while, feeding only bland vet food (no treats or anything - use the kibble as treats).

Hang in there... I know how tough and frustrating this can be. You WILL get past it.
My pup had giardia. And I believe you are dead on with there potentially being parasites even though the tests are negative. The vet is planning to prescribe a 2 week does. Thanks for your help!
 

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The fecal tests they have done, have they simply been fecal flotation/centrifugation looking for ova and parasites, or have they done any more specific tests such as a giardia IFA or a diarrhea panel? There are some things which just don’t show up on a regular fecal, or can show up intermittently, or can be very hard to find.

If they have done those, and they are all negative, I would recommend trying tylan (tylosin) rather than metronidazole. My pup had a very similar situation as yours. Metronidazole helped until it didn’t, at which point I finally took him to see Dr. Marks at UC Davis. I would have done it earlier, but reasons. He, being one of my old professors and a world renowned gastroenterologist, was appalled that I had been using metronidazole for symptomatic treatment of diarrhea and was pleased that by that point I had started tylosin. BTW, did I mention that within 24 hours of starting tylosin we had normal poop and that it has never relapsed except when he got into the cat food. He may need to stay on it for life, but he may not. I’ve been dealing with other issues concurrently and it’s hard to keep changing things when they are going well.

Best of luck. I know all too well how frustrating this can be!
Thanks. I don't know the extent of the tests. They were the usual fecal sample, but they did say she had giardia. I will ask my vet about tylosin. Thanks again!
 

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Hi, I just bought a puppy from Storybrooke Goldens, formerly once upon a golden. My boy had giardia, coccidian, and round worms. I notified the breeder of this and she said she would re-run fecal samples of remaining puppies in the litter. When I reached out again to see if they had the results, she never replied. Also, after further research, it is irresponsible to breed dogs before the age of two. both of my puppies parents were not over the age of two. Just hope the next person that reads this is weary. I love my dog, I just wish his breeder was as responsible as she claims.
 

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Thanks for your response. I have a AKC certificate.

The sire is listed as:
ALUBYC LORD OF THE DANCE TKN
SR95053901 08-17(EYE15 AKC DNA #V819468) (AUS)

The dam:
THEVENET CINDERELLA OF BEST OF SHOW GOLDEN'S CA TKN
SR84506201 06-17 (EYE 37)

My pup was born on 9/9/17. I don't know what all the codes above mean nor the dates. But those dates cannot be birth dates. And the parents' records were displayed on the website. Although, as mentioned, I cannot find the mother on the site anymore. The sire's records are at the link below. There are multiple docs posted. You would need to scroll through them. Looks like the sire was born on 4/20/16. The OFA showed "good" hips. My vet said that was good and that most are listed as "fair".


https://www.onceuponagolden.com/aladdin.html
So, since this thread popped up again today, I realized your question as to dates wasn't answered. The dates after the name is when the dog entered the stud book, typically when the animal's first litter is recorded. Not sure if it is the litter's DOB or the date the litter is registered. Their registration numbers are the SR numbers, and the codes in the parentheses are the clearances they had on OFA when the litter was registered. After their names is TKN- which is trick dog novice.. a fun thing but certainly not one that proves a dog's breed-worthiness. Nor is the CA (coursing ability- chasing a plastic bag on a course).
 

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Hi, I just bought a puppy from Storybrooke Goldens, formerly once upon a golden. My boy had giardia, coccidian, and round worms. I notified the breeder of this and she said she would re-run fecal samples of remaining puppies in the litter. When I reached out again to see if they had the results, she never replied. Also, after further research, it is irresponsible to breed dogs before the age of two. both of my puppies parents were not over the age of two. Just hope the next person that reads this is weary. I love my dog, I just wish his breeder was as responsible as she claims.
Round worms are pretty common- but sending a pup home w cocci and giardia is not a good thing. Nor is breeding animals on preliminary clearances (not sure these guys even have that) or prior to two years old prior to getting clearances. Claiming responsibility in breeding is easy- being responsible in breeding not so easy.
 

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I noticed Once Upon a Golden's website isn't even up anymore. Storybrooke is definitely the same people. Definitely something not right with them. I knew I should have trusted my gut instinct.
 
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