Golden Retriever Dog Forums banner

1 - 9 of 9 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
91 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
Introduced my 8 week Golden to raw diet for one meal. Started off with chicken neck, egg and veggies that I ground up. He gets his kibble for his other two meals. Would like to eventually switch to an all raw diet for his meals when he is down to 2 meals a day. Also I want to make sure that he gets all the nutrition that he needs as a growing puppy. My question is do I need to weigh out what I feed him? Any tips on planning meals and portion control?
 

·
Golden Ret Enthusiast
Joined
·
1,939 Posts
You really should be on a large breed puppy dry food for at least the first 6-8 months. They give correct ratios of Calcium and phosphorous. A large breed puppy food will have a ratio of 1.1-1.4 to 1 of calcium to phos. Phosphorous inhibits calcium absorption so a ratio of 2:1 means too much calcium they will likely grow way to fast for their joint which can lead to pano and or dysplasia. That is why Large Breed Puppy food and not a regular puppy food.



The type of questions you're asking leads me to believe you're not even close to making your own dogs food. I have been into dog nutrition for well over 20 years and I have been out to over 5 different R&D labs of major food manufactures and I still wouldn't make my own raw food. Just too easy to mess it up and create excesses and or deficiencies in the diet and certainly at an age (8 weeks) that the puppy is growing at such a large rate. Missing or having too much of any nutrients now can be really detrimental.



I do raw but I do commercially premade from companies like Nature's Variety, Nature's logic and Bravo (haven't tried Stella and Chewy's raw) and mix them into a good kibble and feed raw only meals about 30-40% of the time. These foods are tested to make sure of no excesses or deficiencies and no pathogens. They add the right amount of bone (crushed) to make sure there is enough calcium. The way you're explaining what your meals it sounds like you may have uncontrolled calcium and other nutrients in the meals (the fact you're asking about measuring). The necks may also be an issue as puppies at that age don't understand what they are eating yet and small neck bone could lead to the puppy choking as well.


I would stay with a high quality lg brd puppy kibble and revisit the raw diets at 6 months or older. During that time I would REALLY study up the raw diets. Internet raw recipes are known to be unbalanced over time so it is not easy to do your own raw diets.
 

·
Golden Ret Enthusiast
Joined
·
1,939 Posts
Also, be careful about with doing certain diets. The DCM issue that is diet related may also be from a lot of plant based ingredients in the form of Lectins. My raw food that I get from Nature's Variety is roughly 95% meat based and only 5% fruits and veggies. If you continue to try and do your own raw diet, make sure you are not adding legumes of any sort and keeping the carbs down below 20% and ideally under 10% (which is hard). This is fine overall as dogs and cats have no dietary requirement of carbohydrates.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
91 Posts
Discussion Starter #4
Also, be careful about with doing certain diets. The DCM issue that is diet related may also be from a lot of plant based ingredients in the form of Lectins. My raw food that I get from Nature's Variety is roughly 95% meat based and only 5% fruits and veggies. If you continue to try and do your own raw diet, make sure you are not adding legumes of any sort and keeping the carbs down below 20% and ideally under 10% (which is hard). This is fine overall as dogs and cats have no dietary requirement of carbohydrates.
Thanks for your advice. I will look into the premade raw diets and continue to keep him on his Lg Breed Puppy kibble. Have you ever tried K9 Naturals?
 

·
Golden Ret Enthusiast
Joined
·
1,939 Posts
Thanks for your advice. I will look into the premade raw diets and continue to keep him on his Lg Breed Puppy kibble. Have you ever tried K9 Naturals?
No I have not. I just looked it up on chewy.com and is from New Zealand and crazy expensive here at $205 for an 8 pounds bag. It's it just a freeze dried raw and not a freeze frozen raw?

The one I found was freeze dried and it reads well for the ingredients but there's less moisture then dry kibble at 8% compared to 10% and 37% fat! The fat content in a dogs diet should generally be 8-16% fat (from low fat to puppy foods) That is an insane amount of fat that could easily lead to pancreatitis. A condition caused by excessive fat in the diet.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
37 Posts
@maggiesvoice

I am reading your posts on raw and I need some major advice.

Number 1 ....I just lost my almost eleven year old golden 5 months ago to DCM she was being fed Grain free acana. My heart is still aching for her and it sent me into a depression .....

So I normally wait a year plus before ever getting another golden.....but here I am with a ten week puppy.

The breeder feeds him raw. I worry about DCM. Is there a worry ? I now she is against kibble A's I think is carcinogenic in her eyes.

There is a full patty of meat given to him morning and night ....along with probiotic ...fish oil....and two containers of different supplements I give him at each meal so he gets all b vit and minerals etc. She explained that I give him a few days a week organ meet ....and of a 1/8 of a patty for supper that is veggies. Also I can throw in sardines egg etc. I assume this is a raw egg ?

Does this sound like a balanced raw diet. This is all new to me and I want to do my best for him. I was hesitant to do raw because it is new territory. But her dogs look amazing and life long longevity proves the validly of the diet. She has been breeding for over 20 years and also doesn't shows etc.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
6 Posts
Hi,
Misty is 5 years old, and she eats about 1.2 pounds a day. The thing about raw food isn’t that it doesn’t have to be perfectly balanced each meal. Some weeks I give her homemade raw and some weeks I buy commercial patties. For a homemade meal I usually have extra lean ground beef, chicken organs, veggies and chicken/turkey feet and smelts or fish oil. About 2 times a week I give her raw egg.
Hope this helps!
 

·
Golden Ret Enthusiast
Joined
·
1,939 Posts
@maggiesvoice

I am reading your posts on raw and I need some major advice.

Number 1 ....I just lost my almost eleven year old golden 5 months ago to DCM she was being fed Grain free acana. My heart is still aching for her and it sent me into a depression .....

So I normally wait a year plus before ever getting another golden.....but here I am with a ten week puppy.

The breeder feeds him raw. I worry about DCM. Is there a worry ? I now she is against kibble A's I think is carcinogenic in her eyes.

There is a full patty of meat given to him morning and night ....along with probiotic ...fish oil....and two containers of different supplements I give him at each meal so he gets all b vit and minerals etc. She explained that I give him a few days a week organ meet ....and of a 1/8 of a patty for supper that is veggies. Also I can throw in sardines egg etc. I assume this is a raw egg ?

Does this sound like a balanced raw diet. This is all new to me and I want to do my best for him. I was hesitant to do raw because it is new territory. But her dogs look amazing and life long longevity proves the validly of the diet. She has been breeding for over 20 years and also doesn't shows etc.
I'm sorry I missed your post to me last week. I'm not a fan of concocting a raw diet on a puppy. They grow so fast and it's very easy for them to become deficient in something or overdosing in others. With them growing so fast they sick up and user everything the consume quickly.

I personally feed a good large breed kibble and I supplement with the raw food in each meal. I switch to feeding raw mostly around 10-12 Months as the growth plates close soon after (around 14 months or so)

I also don't make my own raw food which I could but it gets crazy trying to weight and measure everything. I use a good quality commercial made raw food from Nature's Variety instinct frozen raw. I sometime switch it up and I'll use nature's logic (same guy who formulated Nature's Variety before nature's logic) and bravo. I should very small little known companies making raw foods.
 

·
Golden Ret Enthusiast
Joined
·
1,939 Posts
Hi,
Misty is 5 years old, and she eats about 1.2 pounds a day. The thing about raw food isn’t that it doesn’t have to be perfectly balanced each meal. Some weeks I give her homemade raw and some weeks I buy commercial patties. For a homemade meal I usually have extra lean ground beef, chicken organs, veggies and chicken/turkey feet and smelts or fish oil. About 2 times a week I give her raw egg.
Hope this helps!
If you're not, make sure you're getting some bone meal for the homemade raw for calcium and phosphors. 1.4:1 cal-phos ratio of they state it and you want to keep the Phosphorus to.4-.8%. basically keep it under 1%
 
1 - 9 of 9 Posts
Top