Good analogy.As to the asterisk, a near analogy could be said for the dogs that earn points or the win against a field of 25 dogs vs. a field of 120 dogs, or a field that has only 1 or 2 titled dogs vs a field that has 40, so it's a bit of a slippery slope to say that one win isn't as worthy as another win.
The same form of discipline that doesn't work on children. Apparently some use it on dogs, I read about it on this forum.SRW, what's "timeout" training? Maybe it's something that I need to add to my training toolbox.
Great quote FT!As for training a Golden or a Lab, there's as much differentiation within each than there is between the breeds. One post suggested that the Golden owners/trainers are often the limiting factor in a dog's progress, I agree. One highly regarded trainer with multiple FCs told me, early in the career of my most successful Golden to date, to "train with the Lab folks to make sure your standards are high enough."
Sorry we gave you some funny answers. Maybe you should hear just a little bit about goldens and labs in field trials. At most field trials, there are 98% labradors entered and 2% goldens entered. One of the above commentors on this thread, won a field trial with the only golden entered in the field trial. If I remember right the entry was more than 70 dogs total. So you can imagine what goldens are up against in field trials, there are so many more labs running them. To attain a FC (field champion title), you have to go against all breeds. Unlike Ch (show champion title), you only go up against golden retrievers to attain that title. In the average year, only 2 or 3 goldens attain a FC title, whereas 50-60 labs do. So over in the field area, we like to poke at labs since there are so many more of them. To achieve a FC title, the breeding is a pretty short list of sires/dams. The training is every day all day for years. Average age of a FC title achieved I'm going to guess is 6 years old. So it's a very long hard slog that is a super difficult steep hill to climb.This must be a problem unique to your anecdotal experience. Over the years in the service dog area, I've seen many volunteer puppy raisers do an excellent job training labs, goldens, and lab-golden crosses. I've also not encountered one of the staff's professional trainers who couldn't train both a lab and a golden and the lab-golden crosses.
There are just too few aren't there?In the average year, only 2 or 3 goldens attain a FC /AFC:
Alaska, I added AFC. It is way less than that. I think maybe only 1 FC is completing now and maybe 3 AFC? I could be off by 1 or 2 but not many. But any case what a historic milestone for Golden to achieve a FC or AFC. Keep plugging Golden owners there are some nice young Golden’s running. And yes I love it when you are the only Golden running!
1. How about the list of currently competing titled Goldens? I may not remember them all, but I'll start and hope someone finishes:1. I think maybe only 1 FC is completing now and maybe 3 AFC? I could be off by 1 or 2 but not many.
2. And yes I love it when you are the only Golden running!
2. Yep!>>FC: Crush
>>AFC: Amber, Hawk, Zeva (is she running now?)
FT Goldens, that is the list I had. Zeva ran a trial in March (She is 8)
So its 30 hours from home for me! There is no * on a placement at a golden only FT. There will be plenty of good competition and challenging tests, where ever it may be. Our organizing group is still waiting on the board to allow us to put on this event, but we have spoken with the land owner and the pro's family to get preliminary approval. Final plans will be confirmed as well as a great judging panel IF we get approval for the trial. Plans currently call for a Hunt Test to precede the trial and those plans are also in progress!A week ago because of necessary advance planning at the venue in Florida, the GRCA National Specialty was cancelled for the event scheduled in Florida for October 2020.
A group of people involved in golden field met last night and are trying to get an alternate event planned:
We are trying to find a way to preserve a field trial for Goldens only for 2020.
We still need to get details ironed out and there will be a need for support from a lot of people. I am in the process of letting potentially interested GRCA members and golden owners everywhere in the country know about these plans.
We will need their support and want them to petition the GRCA board to support this effort. We will need to have the board's approval to allow us ti use their AKC “slot” for the trial as well as some financial seed support. We will also need AKC approval for the changes. We are expecting to switch the date to late October and are still working on solidifying a site. Although we have not gotten approval from the owner, we are hoping to use grounds in MO so we can get helper support and draw equally from both sides of the country We are hoping to have a full field trial and a Master & Sr. Hunt test.
So please feel free to start a mail in campaign of support to the GRCA Board [email protected]
Also get you field friends to join in! Thanks
* It kills us in the Mid Atlantic and NE. Fl was 13 hours from us ( we were going) and Sedalia is 16.5 from us. Next year is in Ohio? So the National won’t be back on the East Coast til 2023. *
Hope you can figure out a way to get there Stacey! Looks like it's going to happen!Thanks Drdawg for working so hard on this. It would be really nice if it all comes together.
I’d love to be there, but flying from Alaska these days is infinitely more difficult these days since there are so few flights now to the states. Unless I can fit in the time to drive the 2700 miles to Seattle, I‘ll be camped out up here.
If it's in Sedalia and includes an Open and Am I'd enter and help. Depending, of course, on how good the waterfowl hunting is here at that time.
I have mixed feelings about Golden only trials. It would be fun but it puts an asterisks buy a placement IMO.
Fun and educational. The rules on distance in MH stakes can lead to boring repetitive tests. The judges can be much more creative in quals. For anyone with a master level dog there is still plenty of time to prepare.Qualifying is often a fun experience for those who also run MH stakes.