Those are huge entries! Some serious competition!
It was in the Am and she never got wet. Did not have to go very far to cheat but she knows better.Have a great day! I hope the derby goes well.
When Lily cheated did she cheat both ways, or just to the bird? It is always interesting what kinds of decisions dogs make in derbies.
Sorry to hear about Lily cheating the water... 😔 Could she just have had an off day? But on the other hand, happy to hear everything going well for Jake so far...!!!💪🏽😊Worst part was she blatantly cheated water in route to 2 birds, some spankings are in her near future.
Jake did very well in the first series of the am. Second series was a double blind with a dry shot form a standout gun. A thin slice of water in route to both blinds. Jake lined the first blind and was very good on the second. One whistle in the water and one more cast 2/3rds of the way to the blind. Doesn't get much better than that. 3rd series water blind this morning. 22 dogs left out of 73 that started. Three dogs in our training group still in,including Lily's mama.
The derby ran one series yesterday afternoon. Pretty simple double with a flier. Lily did perfect, I think only 3 or 4 dogs eliminated.
She was just trying to get there faster, which she did. It surprised me because she doesn't cheat often and had been making very good decisions in training.Sorry to hear about Lily cheating the water... 😔 Could she just have had an off day?
That's such a pity for Lily! Sorry to hear Jake got tripped up by the poison bird 🙁 but poison birds are a slightly more advanced skill set if I understand correctly..? Might be wrong here.. Thank you for taking the time to explain all this..She was just trying to get there faster, which she did. It surprised me because she doesn't cheat often and had been making very good decisions in training.
I entered her in a Q a couple weeks from now, and that will be the only stake I enter her in. and we are going to work on some water drills this morning.
Jake picked up the poison bird on the water blind. It was a tough blind with the poison bird on a point the dogs had to cross down wind of it.
We will be working on that the next couple weeks too.
No videos, hard to do at a trial. I have photos of most of the tests and I will post and explain them.
It is an advanced concept and other factors can make it even more difficult. I'll post a photo and detailed explanation this week.Sorry to hear Jake got tripped up by the poison bird 🙁 but poison birds are a slightly more advanced skill set if I understand correctly..?
Thank you for the description. This is helpful. This is a battle I fight with Cruz, only on blinds. He's very specific about when he chooses to cheat. It's only at a test, only when the bird is around a nice sweeping rounded edge of a pond to the left. Unfortunately for me I ran two SH tests in a row with this exact setup last year. The bird was belly up, which made it nice for some people running the tests. He does much better on hard blinds, over points, etc. It's like the perfect storm of temptation for him. He knows he can get there faster, he always sees it, which some would love on a blind, but it completely messes up my day, and it's always the last bird of an otherwise perfect test. He takes my whistles, but not my cast over into the water in this scenario. He gets his feet wet, but only because he's running as fast as he can around the edge. Our weather is finally getting nice enough for me to start working on it. I'm going to have to go to a friends pond. He won't do it at home. My friend is a retired Pro and he swears we can fix it, but it's hard to believe you can fix something that a dog will not do unless he's in a test situation. I've done more swimby's then you would think is possible. If I can recreate it in a training situation maybe I can fix it. It's a very popular setup around here for a senior test. (ugh) He has no issue with confidence or enthusiasm. The only issue I've ever had with him is if I do too much blind work he will start to pop on blinds. I have to balance it.Lily's green JAM ribbon in the Q last weekend was due to cheating water in the last series. She has no aversion to water but knows there is a faster route, "speed cheat" is how many describe it. The problem is it throws a dog off course and often results in a hunt on the mark. Also, taking the most direct routes is always preferred. I think we had a chance at blue or red coming into the 4th.
We worked on one cheaty water mark yesterday and will every day this week.
The mark yesterday was very black and white and ran as a single. The bird was thrown into the water along the far shore of a pond for a nice splash. The direct route was clearly through the pond. The fast route was clearly around it by land. Lily chose the faster route. I let her get halfway around the pond, stopped her with the whistle, then no no here with continuous collar pressure as she came back around the shore. In this case I brought her all the way back to the line and had the mark thrown again. The second time she chose wisely and took the wet route.
In some cases I will just call the dog back to the point where they deviated from the correct route, then stop and cast. Calling a dog back off a mark is pressure and the collar is obviously pressure. Calling a dog all the way back is more pressure than calling in part way and casting.
Lily has no issues with low drive or enthusiasm, quite the opposite. If that were not the case I might handle it differently.
The level of collar pressure to use in a situation like this is important. Lily did it correctly on the second send. I got the correct response, indicating that the correct amount of pressure was used. If she had chosen to run the shore again it would have indicated too little pressure was used and she thought it was worth it to try again.
Too much pressure will make a dog nervous on the line, not wanting to look out in the field, possibly no-go on the send, lose confidence.....
IMO, it is also important to call the dog back calmly, not angrily. We work on this in basic yard work, no-no drills. Lily was being a bit naughty but collar pressure and being called back in was plenty of pressure. Just a calm 'no-no here' was enough verbal. Nothing damages confidence and enthusiasm more than harsh verbal correction. Save that for the times they are really naughty.
Yes, most handlers tried to select R2 second. Some dogs disagreed and went to R1 instead.So on R2 ... I presume most handlers tried to get it second ... did the dogs generally take too much water, which put them wide left when they got out of the water, then end up at R1 or get handled to R2?
Oddly enough, only one dog did that, and it was the landowners.Or did the dogs fall off the dam and end up too far to the right of R2, which put them upwind of the bird (I could also see some dogs checking down short when en route to R2 and decide to start hunting in the row of trees)? [That's a real skinny entry to get them to go straight on R2.]
Tough as the Q was, I kind of wish I had entered her in the am instead.Good job Jake! 💪🏽😊 It's just odd because this thread was titled Lily.. so I was thinking I was going to read something about her... Not that she's not amazing, but it's good to hear about Jake! 😀