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I'm looking for a responsible breeder in southern ca to add a golden puppy to our family. We really want a healthy dog from healthy parents with all of the health clearances.

Anyone have any positive or negative info about the following breeders (or any other breeders you could recommend or advise to avoid)?

Sierra Goldens sierragoldenretrievers.com
Ebbert Golden Retrievers ebbertretrievers.com
Chadwick Goldens chadwicksgoldens.com
Autumnwind Goldens Autumnwindgoldenretrievers.com

Any feedback or advice would be great!
Thank you!!!
 

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I'm looking for a responsible breeder in southern ca to add a golden puppy to our family. We really want a healthy dog from healthy parents with all of the health clearances.

Anyone have any positive or negative info about the following breeders (or any other breeders you could recommend or advise to avoid)?

Sierra Goldens sierragoldenretrievers.com
Ebbert Golden Retrievers ebbertretrievers.com
Chadwick Goldens chadwicksgoldens.com
Autumnwind Goldens Autumnwindgoldenretrievers.com

Any feedback or advice would be great!
Thank you!!!
Sierra - no registered names on the site to verify their claim for clearances, links to massive puppy broker site

Ebbert - talks the talk but doesn't appear to be walking the walk--states clearances are in place, but the one golden they have listed Savvy doesn't have clearances & they're claiming her to be an "English Cream" which nothing more than a marketing ploy

Chadwick - incomplete clearances & evidence breeding bitches before age 2 (Shilah). Pics of their bitches don't do anything to represent the dog well, dogs hunched over.

Autumnwind - clearances appear to be in place & they're doing more than just pumping out puppies
 

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Wow won't they allow your dog to participate in conformation?
I can assure you that Cathy allows puppies she breeds to participate in conformation. I see them in the ring at most local shows :) The discussion about non-conformation is because pet puppies are sold on limited registration, which means you cannot participate in conformation but can enter any other AKC event.
 

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To the OP, as I mentioned in the other thread, Autumnwind is a friend of mine. Sparkle is a half sister to my Jack actually. They are definitely reputable and I know all clearances are in order on this litter. That being said, I am not sure there are puppies available so I would contact her sooner rather than later if you are interested.
 

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Not sure what you mean. My boy Gambler was in conformation shows until he was 1 and we just are not into the showing.
I think she was referring to the pet puppies being registered under Limited Registration. It's mentioned on the site that they cannot participate in conformation. As I mentioned above, that is not the Turners' policy, that is the AKC.
 

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I can assure you that Cathy allows puppies she breeds to participate in conformation. I see them in the ring at most local shows :) The discussion about non-conformation is because pet puppies are sold on limited registration, which means you cannot participate in conformation but can enter any other AKC event.
Got it. It says puppies placed as potential show dogs can be fully registered. They know a puppy has that potential at the age of 8 weeks?
 

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Cathie Turner at Sunbeam is an excellent breeder, and I think she has a litter on the ground now. Also, I think Sharon Shilkoff has a litter, or soon will. If you want a boy, I know of a beautiful one that is available out of one of my favorite local champions, and can go home in a few weeks. PM me for details.
 

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Got it. It says puppies placed as potential show dogs can be fully registered. They know a puppy has that potential at the age of 8 weeks?
They say that puppies 7-8 weeks old have the basic structure they will have as adults. But picking show puppies is an art, and pretty much every breeder has tales of puppies that turned out better than their show picks.
 

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Got it. It says puppies placed as potential show dogs can be fully registered. They know a puppy has that potential at the age of 8 weeks?
The key word here is "potential" and the answer is yes. Puppies are generally evaluated at about 8 weeks old and theoretically, you can determine which puppies are show prospects at that age. Of course there are no guarantees, but the proportions at 8 weeks (plus and minus 3 days) are supposed to be very close to the proportions as an adult.
 

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I would stay away from Sierra and Ebbert. I contacted them before I was given a referral to a reputable breeder.

Ebbert's Savannah is going to be bred to Sheriff. I tried getting his pedigree name and they never responded.

As for as Sierra when I asked for their pedigree names their response...

Me:"Do they have OFA clearances? If so, may I look the dogs up?"
Sierra: "Do u look it up on the akc website? I can send u copies of the pedigrees"

So....I took that as a huge red flag that if they didn't know how to look up OFA clearances they probably were not the breeder that I was looking for. They may love their immensely and may have very healthy dogs but I just wasn't willing to take that risk.
 

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I would stay away from Sierra and Ebbert. I contacted them before I was given a referral to a reputable breeder.

Ebbert's Savannah is going to be bred to Sheriff. I tried getting his pedigree name and they never responded.

As for as Sierra when I asked for their pedigree names their response...

Me:"Do they have OFA clearances? If so, may I look the dogs up?"
Sierra: "Do u look it up on the akc website? I can send u copies of the pedigrees"

So....I took that as a huge red flag that if they didn't know how to look up OFA clearances they probably were not the breeder that I was looking for. They may love their immensely and may have very healthy dogs but I just wasn't willing to take that risk.
Thank you for your response...

May I ask the breeder you ended up being referred to?

Both of these breeders say they can provide the clearances in person. Is it a problem if they are not listed online, but they can provide them in person? I'm simply looking for a healthy dog to add to my family, not a dog to show or breed.
 

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I would stay away from Sierra and Ebbert. I contacted them before I was given a referral to a reputable breeder.

Ebbert's Savannah is going to be bred to Sheriff. I tried getting his pedigree name and they never responded.

As for as Sierra when I asked for their pedigree names their response...

Me:"Do they have OFA clearances? If so, may I look the dogs up?"
Sierra: "Do u look it up on the akc website? I can send u copies of the pedigrees"

So....I took that as a huge red flag that if they didn't know how to look up OFA clearances they probably were not the breeder that I was looking for. They may love their immensely and may have very healthy dogs but I just wasn't willing to take that risk.
Thank you for your response...

May I ask the breeder you ended up being referred to?

Both of these breeders say they can provide the clearances in person. Is it a problem if they are not listed online, but they can provide them in person? I'm simply looking for a healthy dog to add to my family, not a dog to show or breed.
 

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I realize you're looking for a pet, but hopefully this post by LJack puts things in perspective.

This is a statement that a lot of puppy buyers make. I don't want a show dog or a proformance dog, why should I care about champions or performance titles in the pedigree?

1. When you buy from a breeder who is actively competing and showing, they are out there in the fancy. They are talking to other breeders, attending seminars, gaining knowledge of structure, heritable diseases, bloodlines and care. This means they are not working in a vacuum.

2. Breeders who compete are actively looking to improve their line. That litter they are producing is one they are hoping will produce the next step in their program. They are working for themselves. You reap the benefit since there are usually a small number of show quality, the rest are pets. Ever hear the addage you work harder when your selfemployed? It is the same philosophy here.

3. Structure, structure structure. Breeders who compete will have more structurally sound dogs. In addition the core four clearences, the dog's structure will determine if it will live most of it's life comfortable with activity or not able to go and do because of structural break down. This is where those Champion titles really come in. Champions are not judged on beauty, but it is a really nice by-product.;) They are judged on structure, angulation, movement, etc. Your pet puppy will benefit from these attributes.

4. Temperament. I want a dog that comes from stock that has been out in the world doing something. Dogs who compete and title not only prove themselves in that venue, but also that they can handle life beyond their home. Dogs that stay at home may have great temperaments but, how do they behave away from home in stressful conditions. Dogs that compete are exposed to these stresses and succeed.

5. My vanity. Okay, it is hard to look at a golden puppy an not think what a cutie! But, if I have chosen to buy a puppy and not rescue, I want my dog to be gorgeous. Call it vain, but that is what I want.:D I know that with parents that are proven in competition that is going to run in the line. I want things like proper coat, dark pigment, great structure, lovely top lines, fantastic headpieces, and lovely expression.

I hope this helps. So many folks who have only watched shows or see Westminster on TV only see the absolutely gorgeous dogs an come to equate them to beauty pageants. They were started an continue today as a venue in which you can evaluate your breeding stock as compared to the ideal dog of your breed.
 

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If they provide the registered names or registration numbers you should be able to verify the clearances online independently. The GRCA Code of Ethics recommend all clearances be posted to a public database which most commonly used is OFA. Even if hips were accomplished by penhip, CERF eyes & a cardiologist cleared heart wasn't sent in, at the very minimum elbows should be showing on the offa.org website as OFA is the only means to clear elbows in the states. In addition, if this is a breeder on the "English Cream" bandwagon using dogs imported from Eastern Europe--clearances should still be accomplished in the U.S. which again should be able to be checked online.
 
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