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I have had a similar experience as many many people have listed on this forum with Nancy Gratiot, nee Nalyn's Goldens, just recently. She had me fill out what looks like a questionnaire, not a contract. On it, one of the questions that it asks if I would give the puppy Life's Abundance, the dog food she pushes. I was clear on the paperwork and in talking to her that I would not do so. She STILL took my money. Then started playing all kinds of weird games, becoming antagonistic after getting the money and cashing it, even before we revisited that I wouldn't get the dog food. She became downright hostile when it came time to get a puppy and I said no to the dog food. It became very stressful. She had three (3) litters of puppies, and I still don't have a puppy. She wrote that she expects the dog to be on the expensive/mail order food for two years. She wrote and said she expected me to get the mail order dog food, porky puff chews, canned food, skin and coat supplements, vitamins, and treats...all from the company she represents. She even lists quantities. From what I understand, she expects you to mail in the receipts month. Since I am not getting these, I don't get a puppy. And she does this to people over and over and over. It sounds like she has an ongoing scam. I am considering filing a small claims suit against her, or possibly a bigger/multiple people small claims suit if people want, as this is illegal. (see below). If any other victims of this would like to be a witness in this, please contact me. I feel like someone has to stop this as this sounds like it has been going on for years. She has a complete scam going. I truly wish I would have seen the info on her sooner, but of course, she made it sound like I had to get my deposit down right away as someone else was coming and she had puppies already....

My contact info is [email protected] if anyone would like to help. Please let me know if you would be willing to be a witness.

Tying currently is generally deemed per se unlawful only if:

Separate Products: Two separate products or services are involved;
Coercion: The sale or agreement to sell one product or service is conditioned on the buyer’s agreement to purchase another product or service;

Coercion
A key element of tying is the forced purchase of a second distinct commodity; in other words, purchasing the tied product is mandatory when purchasing the tying product. What distinguishes illegal tying from legal bundling is the seller's exploitation of its control over the tying product to force the buyer into the purchase of a tied product that the buyer either did not want at all or might have preferred to purchase elsewhere on different terms. Where the buyer is given the option to purchase products individually or as a bundle, and the option to purchase individual products is economically feasible, no tying occurs.
 

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The best thing to do is to write to both the BBB in her town and the AKC. She advertises she is a "Breeder of Merit". If she is not honoring her contracts she can also lose her AKC privileges by not abiding by sportsman ship conduct. Be sure to mention that.
 

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There is nothing she can do to make you buy the food. She chooses whether to sell you a puppy. It's a great food, but unfortunately, it is expensive to buy shelf space so other than in boutique stores, its only available via a rep. I use it- I send puppies home on it. But I do not require them to keep buying it. What they feed their dog is up to them as long as it meets minimal requirements re fat and protein in my contract. But in real life, I could not check to see what they're feeding, I have to trust that they are feeding their puppy/dog well.
 

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From what I understand, she has you send copies of receipts. And she tried to force us to sign a contract agreeing to it. Then she also added in all kinds of other supplements. It was all a bit shocking and disillusioning.
 

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The best thing to do is to write to both the BBB in her town and the AKC. She advertises she is a "Breeder of Merit". If she is not honoring her contracts she can also lose her AKC privileges by not abiding by sportsman ship conduct. Be sure to mention that.
Thank you. I contacted AKC, but did not know about this. The person said that they don't deal with breeding, so either I talked to the wrong person. However, I can bring up the Breeder of Merit info. I will check into it. I appreciate your input.
 

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Hi, I am currently going through this now with Nancy Gratiot and her craziness. Did you every file anything with anyone in regards to her nonsense? I am currently going through many issues with her right now but I hope to make sure it doesn't happen in the future. I realize this is a year later for you Katnip but apparently she still feels she can get away with this. I feel like since she is showing her dogs the AKC should care ..no??
 

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I am currently having a situation with Nancy Gratiot and her craziness. I was wondering Katnip if you took it any further? I know this is a year later. I want to make sure she cannot continue to do this. Surprised the AKC wouldn't do anything but will check in to it as well. Ridiculous.....
 

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Why anyone continues to do business with this lady confuses me. There are so many negative posts and comments about her it should be a red flag for everyone. The best thing to do is write formal complaints to the BBB who doesn't want to deal with her, The AKC who also doesn't want to deal with her and the State of Wisconsin Agriculture Department who will at some time deal with her. I have talked with them in the past and they are fed up with her and complaints against her. The last I heard I think it was over 19 complaints.
 

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Specifically it is the Division of Animal Health (608) 224-4889 That regulates dog breeders in the State of WI. I posted their contact # and you can call and talk to them. Their regulation is as follows:

Wisconsin's law regulating dog breeding, sales, and adoption-for-fee requires inspection and licensing of many dog breeders, dealers, and sellers, as well as shelters and rescues that foster and adopt out dogs. The law also prohibits selling puppies less than 7 weeks old unless they go with their mothers, and requires that certificates of veterinary inspection – health certificates – accompany dogs that are sold or adopted for a fee.

The intent is to protect the welfare of dogs and to protect consumers who buy or adopt them.

Who Needs a License
The following individuals and organizations are required to be licensed:

Dog breeders selling 25 or more dogs a year, from more than 3 litters that they have bred
Dog breeding facilities from which 25 or more dogs a year are sold, from more than 3 litters
In-state dog dealers selling and offering to sell 25 or more dogs a year that they did not breed and raise
Out-of-state dog dealers who import 25 or more dogs a year into Wisconsin, regardless of whether they bred and raised them
Nonprofit animal shelters and rescue groups sheltering/fostering 25 or more dogs a year
Animal control facilities that contract with a city, village, town or county

People know Nancy breeds over 3 litters per year. But she claims she doesn't. She does not post all the litters she breeds on her website so she will not get caught by this regulatory body and therefore says she does not have to comply. She also says she is the Co-Breeder of many litters and therefore those are not her litters. Anyone who has dealt with Nancy knows there is no such thing. She takes control of the breeding from the beginning and you have no choice except to listen to her or she will just harass you to death until she gets what she wants.

The more people that complain to this agency the better chances something will get done. Also the AKC, because she claims to be a "Breeder of Merit". How the AKC can recognize her for this I don't understand.
 

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I am currently having a situation with Nancy Gratiot and her craziness. I was wondering Katnip if you took it any further? I know this is a year later. I want to make sure she cannot continue to do this. Surprised the AKC wouldn't do anything but will check in to it as well. Ridiculous.....
I eventually got $200 of the $300 back from her so I debated if it would be worth it for that. She just kept the rest. I am sure that is something she does to those who just don't walk away, but yet she still keeps some money and profits off of it. And you go through a LOT of stress with her. I would be willing to go to court with her if someone else wants to, to help show this is a reoccuring issue. I think she SHOULD be stopped. This is obviously something she does over and over and over. One thing to be sure to do is to KEEP her emails and text messages to show the level of nastiness that goes on and how uncooperative she is. I have mine...

Kathryn
 

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Specifically it is the Division of Animal Health (608) 224-4889 That regulates dog breeders in the State of WI. I posted their contact # and you can call and talk to them. Their regulation is as follows:

Wisconsin's law regulating dog breeding, sales, and adoption-for-fee requires inspection and licensing of many dog breeders, dealers, and sellers, as well as shelters and rescues that foster and adopt out dogs. The law also prohibits selling puppies less than 7 weeks old unless they go with their mothers, and requires that certificates of veterinary inspection – health certificates – accompany dogs that are sold or adopted for a fee.

The intent is to protect the welfare of dogs and to protect consumers who buy or adopt them.

Who Needs a License
The following individuals and organizations are required to be licensed:

Dog breeders selling 25 or more dogs a year, from more than 3 litters that they have bred
Dog breeding facilities from which 25 or more dogs a year are sold, from more than 3 litters
In-state dog dealers selling and offering to sell 25 or more dogs a year that they did not breed and raise
Out-of-state dog dealers who import 25 or more dogs a year into Wisconsin, regardless of whether they bred and raised them
Nonprofit animal shelters and rescue groups sheltering/fostering 25 or more dogs a year
Animal control facilities that contract with a city, village, town or county

People know Nancy breeds over 3 litters per year. But she claims she doesn't. She does not post all the litters she breeds on her website so she will not get caught by this regulatory body and therefore says she does not have to comply. She also says she is the Co-Breeder of many litters and therefore those are not her litters. Anyone who has dealt with Nancy knows there is no such thing. She takes control of the breeding from the beginning and you have no choice except to listen to her or she will just harass you to death until she gets what she wants.

The more people that complain to this agency the better chances something will get done. Also the AKC, because she claims to be a "Breeder of Merit". How the AKC can recognize her for this I don't understand.
She had three litters the year that I dealt with her. And I couldn't get one puppy from those three litters. She may have had more. Those were the three that I was looking at, prior to my ending my conversations (her attacks) with her.
 

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Sorry you are going through this. The "3 litters" is a common theme with her. If you look on her site, she has been advertising a 2 year old bitch with preliminary good hips, for several months also. I contacted her but she was so confusing and never would tell me what price or terms she wanted for the 2-year-old until I told her that I would not go visit (7 hour trip for me) until I new what she wanted for the bitch. Finally, $3400 plus 4 pups back. I passed on that one. She kept sending me insulting emails until I asked her not to contact me again.
After finally seeing all the posts about Nalyns, I can't imagine why anyone would buy a dog from her. Her dogs look nice but there are many lovely dogs and good breeders to choose from. I am on a list for another pup and happy to wait. If something does not feel right to you, listen to your heart.
 

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I have had a similar experience as many many people have listed on this forum with Nancy Gratiot, nee Nalyn's Goldens, just recently. She had me fill out what looks like a questionnaire, not a contract. On it, one of the questions that it asks if I would give the puppy Life's Abundance, the dog food she pushes. I was clear on the paperwork and in talking to her that I would not do so. She STILL took my money. Then started playing all kinds of weird games, becoming antagonistic after getting the money and cashing it, even before we revisited that I wouldn't get the dog food. She became downright hostile when it came time to get a puppy and I said no to the dog food. It became very stressful. She had three (3) litters of puppies, and I still don't have a puppy. She wrote that she expects the dog to be on the expensive/mail order food for two years. She wrote and said she expected me to get the mail order dog food, porky puff chews, canned food, skin and coat supplements, vitamins, and treats...all from the company she represents. She even lists quantities. From what I understand, she expects you to mail in the receipts month. Since I am not getting these, I don't get a puppy. And she does this to people over and over and over. It sounds like she has an ongoing scam. I am considering filing a small claims suit against her, or possibly a bigger/multiple people small claims suit if people want, as this is illegal. (see below). If any other victims of this would like to be a witness in this, please contact me. I feel like someone has to stop this as this sounds like it has been going on for years. She has a complete scam going. I truly wish I would have seen the info on her sooner, but of course, she made it sound like I had to get my deposit down right away as someone else was coming and she had puppies already....

My contact info is [email protected] if anyone would like to help. Please let me know if you would be willing to be a witness.

Tying currently is generally deemed per se unlawful only if:

Separate Products: Two separate products or services are involved;
Coercion: The sale or agreement to sell one product or service is conditioned on the buyer’s agreement to purchase another product or service;

Coercion
A key element of tying is the forced purchase of a second distinct commodity; in other words, purchasing the tied product is mandatory when purchasing the tying product. What distinguishes illegal tying from legal bundling is the seller's exploitation of its control over the tying product to force the buyer into the purchase of a tied product that the buyer either did not want at all or might have preferred to purchase elsewhere on different terms. Where the buyer is given the option to purchase products individually or as a bundle, and the option to purchase individual products is economically feasible, no tying occurs.
 

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I know that I’m likely very late, but it seems like I am not the only one. I had my dog, of which came from her Nalyns Goldens, diagnosed with a stage 4 Sub Aortic Stenosis, heart murmur. Her vet and documents did not state that when I brought him home. After taking him to see a specialist for this, it was determined that he was born with this heart condition. She and her vet should have known this. I had my vet send a notice getting him out of her food scam and nonsense. But the fact that she never disclosed the heart condition is completely bogus. He is mine and I will do anything for him.
 

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mcRyder= your best option is to make a k9data.com page for your dog and input there his condition. And send the cardiac exam to OFA so you can later input a number for the failing clearance.
 

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My fiance and I made the mistake of trusting the AKC website, which advertises Nancy as an AKC registered breeder of merit; information that is far from the truth.
After she began ignoring calls and responding in an unprofessional manner we found this forum, confronted her, and asked for our deposit back. She responded by turning the situation on us and began making claims we were threatening her because we said we would report her to the BBB if we did not receive our deposit back.
Yesterday she agreed to give us the deposit back but also began taunting us via text message with pictures of what she claims would have been our puppy. We didn't engage in the bizarre and instigative behavior, and simply asked how we would be getting the deposit returned. After asking twice for our address she instead demands that we send her a stamped and addressed envelope that she will supposedly return with the deposit. We are not even bothering with the deposit, but are instead pursuing a report with the AKC to get her off of the website. Attached are photos of her text messages to us, extremely unprofessional and cannot believe this woman is still in business.
 

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Nancy Gratiot with Nalyns Goldens is a 100% fraud. She took a deposit from my family member and promised him a dog from an upcoming litter. For months he was looking forward to the puppy, getting updates from her etc. The puppy was born, we waited 7 weeks and then the lies and deception started........and the food demands were just strange. Long story short, no dog and no deposit back either yet. My family and I are not going to let this go. This is not how you treat people. NO PERSON SHOULD EVER TRUST A WORD OUT OF HER MOUTH. On a positive note, we did find another puppy form a great breeder.
 

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yes, you probably were told about the same "litter" that my husband and I were told about. We were so disappointed, she claimed she would give us our deposit back but we decided she wasn't worth it. Conveniently, she has no fb page or link on her website for reviews. There is only one yelp page for her grooming service, which has several terrible reviews.
 
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