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My Golden Retriever had 10 pups the first litter, I had her X-rayed that time and they seen 8 pups and said there was a gray area where a couple of more could be and there was. Had her X-Rayed this time and said they only seen 2 pups, but there was alot of stool in her colon. She is alot bigger this time compared to last time, and yes I know she is going to show more this time. I just wanted to know if this is normal for her to only have two pups this time? Oh, and yes my Male golden, and her was together just like they was the last time. She is due on Halloween.
 

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I know it was a accident, I was keeping them apart, was trying to get her outside one sunday morning and trying to cook breakfast at the same time. Turned my back for just a moment and there they was right in the livingroom. That is why I'm so worried about this litter, and why only 2 pups?
 

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I'm not an expert - but I don't think that it means something is wrong... it's the luck of the draw how many eggs get fertilized...and this time it was only 2. I would definitely look into getting your dogs altered, you wouldn't want this to happen again.
 

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Well I was wondering if the stool in the colon, could hide alot of the puppies, or with her being so big this time, could there be more puppies but just not alive??? I had her X-Rayed at 51 days, should I get her X-Rayed again? she is 56 days today.
 

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xrays are pretty accurate, as far as I've been told. Just means that she may have some trouble whelping if there's only two, as they will usually be a lot bigger than if she had a larger litter. You may end up with a c-section so make sure your vet is on call for that (always happens in the middle of the night of course!). Also find out what they recommend for post surgery care.

Could be that she just hadn't recovered from the litter this spring, puppies do drain a lot from their mothers and it's so hard on them. She may be needing some extra nutrition to help support things and I would strongly suggest doing whatever it takes to ensure she doesn't have another litter for at least a year (the vet might be able to spay her at the same time as a c-section if that happens as well, easier on her).

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Thanks for all the help, you all helped me so much with her first litter!! Thought, I would come back to asked this question, I'm just worried about her, like always. It was my mistake for letting her get this way and feel guilty already, and thank you for not going after me about that mistake, that I will make sure it doesn't happen again.
 

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Not sure if it's right, but isn't the time in her breeding cycle, when she gets fertilized, related to how many pups? Thought I read this somewhere, just can't put my finger on where. Good Luck!
 

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Well I used to work in the ER before I came disabled, and if we would get a car wreck in we would take them to get an X-ray to see check for bleeding, but then the X-ray tech would adjust it to check for broken bones.
To me I feel she didn't had her x-ray machine set right if it showed that much of the colon. she should have been checking for bone to see the pups. When I called her she told me that 51 days would be fine, but I have been looking online and more than once it says x-ray after 55 days, and that one day can really make a difference. So I plan on calling around and finding another VET on mon. and get her X-rayed again the beginning part of the week, since she is due a week from today. I just don't want to think she is having two pups, and there is more in there, and she stops her labor. when I think she is really done, but she isn't. Also the size of her, and yes I know that she will get bigger this time. But she is very big, she has also been eating well, and acting like everything is fine. I have also started taking her temp. Everything seems normal.
 

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Understand that even xraying on day 56 does not ensure an accurate count. My feeling is that there may be between 2 and 4 pups. I would wait till she whelps and once her labor stops take her then and have her xrayed to be sure there are no more pups still left.
And there is never any rhyme or reason for the number of pups from one litter to the next. There are too many factors that affect that number.
 

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Does she have all her clearances? Are you showing her and your male? Did you retain a puppy from the last breeding for these purposes? If not, why not spay her? I have a GORGEOUS pair of Goldens I love to peices, and they'd have beautiful babies I'm sure of it. I just had both fixed so we can enjoy the dog park year-round and so other males won't pick on my boy like they did when he was intact. Just curious :)
 

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Because this is her 2nd pregnancy in a short amount of time and because you have an unneutered male. If you don't get her spayed, how will you make sure this doesn't happen again?
I was keeping them apart, we have a finished basement, and I was trying to get her out, but again I was cooking breakfast on that sun. morning, just like i will today, but the bacon was burning and stopped for just a sec. to get the bacon out of the pan, went to look for her and there they was. I will just have to be more careful, I know it is my fault. I blame myself. But I do want to breed them from time to time. But NO, I
didn't want to breed her this time. For her and for me, I didn't wan't her to go thru that again so soon, and I didn't want a winter litter. When I breed Poms it was alot easier to keep them apart. Also signs of their heat's was alot different from my golden.
 

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Understand that even xraying on day 56 does not ensure an accurate count. My feeling is that there may be between 2 and 4 pups. I would wait till she whelps and once her labor stops take her then and have her xrayed to be sure there are no more pups still left.
And there is never any rhyme or reason for the number of pups from one litter to the next. There are too many factors that affect that number.
Thank you for the good advice to the question that I asked about, and not for going into all the other stuff. For dealing with the here and now. You know I'm just worried about getting her thru this birth. I just want to know if she might have more pups, See if she would go into labor, and have two pups, well quess what, I'm going to think she is done and over, but what if she would have more, and she has just quit her labor, and need medical attention. That is what I'm concern about right now!!!! Again, Thanks for the good advice!!!!!:wavey:
 

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Doing Xrays before day 56 is pretty much a crap shoot as the pups skeletons may not have calcified sufficiently to show up on the film until that point.
 

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well she will be 58 days tomorrow, plan on calling around to find a different vet, and get her X-rayed again. Also if it comes up different than the past, don't you all think i should call the vet that did the past x-ray and tell them about it??????
 

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I would say expect 2 pups, but don't be surprised if there are more. If you get the vet to make a home visit after she has whelped, they should be able to examine her just to make sure there are none left inside. Not sure if this is something your vet would routinely do, but I wouldn't be worrying about another x-ray, best to keep your girl relaxed and happy.

Good luck, I'll be looking forward to good news in a few days....
 
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