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If my vet told me that "many owners choose to have dogs with ichthyosis euthanized" I would be looking for a new vet. In SOME breeds it is a bigger problem. It is typically a nuisance in a Golden. As I stated earlier in this thread I have a 2 year old with it and have had 2 flare ups in 2 years that were no more then dandruff. A good omega supplement in the diet and a little extra vacuuming is NOT EVER something that I feel an ethical vet would consider euthanizing a dog for.
I am just stating what this vet who is a dermatologist stated. Is a personal opinion what we want to do or not, in some cases, from what I was shown in some pictures, is not just dry skin or flare up, some dogs are covered in dry skin patches, with no fur, and have it really bad, I get why this vet mentioned that. My dog had it in one of his front legs, and it was a spot with rough skin and I had to daily use an oil, wash it weekly, and be very consistent in order to keep it from spreading or looking bad, but in some dogs is not the case. The pictures are devastating.
 

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If my vet told me that "many owners choose to have dogs with ichthyosis euthanized" I would be looking for a new vet. In SOME breeds it is a bigger problem. It is typically a nuisance in a Golden. As I stated earlier in this thread I have a 2 year old with it and have had 2 flare ups in 2 years that were no more then dandruff. A good omega supplement in the diet and a little extra vacuuming is NOT EVER something that I feel an ethical vet would consider euthanizing a dog for.
Agreed! A vet that euthanizes a dog over something like ICT should have their DVM license revoked permanently and maybe even charges for animal cruelty. That's just insanely ridiculous.
 

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If the owner wants to euthanize, the vet can try to talk them out of it but it is ultimately an owner decision.
Some practices don't allow offering to relinquish and some do- and weirdly, many people have an 'if dog is not with me, he is not alive' and that is heartbreaking... it happens way more than you would think. And one might think, just say no... but that rarely happens because it's likely the animal will not get a humane death if euthanasia is refused by the vet. People are jerks sometimes....
 

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Euthanise a Golden for Ichthy? You have got to be kidding.

People you have to apply a little common sense when looking for a Veterinarian. There are some very fine ones available. There are also some that barely stumbled across the finish line to graduate. Its your job to sort out which ones can tell which end of a dog the food goes in and which end the poop comes out of. The diploma on the wall isn't going to tell you that.

Baring the influence of other underlying conditions, I do not ever recall seeing a need to put a Golden down for Ichthy. (We're talking over fifty years here.)
 

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I have never meet such harsh and judgmental people, up until I became a member in this group. When someone comes to this group and shares something, such as an opinion, question, or something they were told, is not to be attacked with comments that make you feel like you're a complete criminal, or make you feel awful for simply replying to the thread. We are all adults, some with more knowledge than others. Talking bad about a veterinarian that you guys don't even know is quiet sad, even my 12 year old son know better than that. I respect you all and I'm glad you guys are so perfect, but there is one thing that I know and that is the fact that we all need to respect peoples opinions. I don't have anything bad to say about this veterinarian, I think that anybody that work in the medical field they're obligated to state all the options, and the facts depending on the circumstances. I wasn't told to euthanized my dog in particular, I was told about what happens in cases when this particular diagnosis leads to that point, but if some people decides that, I certainly respect that and as a civilized human, I will just leave it alone. If we are ever in a situation where we have to be judge, I doubt we want to be treated or have someone say the things that some of you have said, specially without knowing the person. Learn to extend some grace, and most important kindness.

We own one of the most wonderful breeds not only in the US, but also in many other countries, haven't you guys learn from them? I sure have. Goldens are loving, caring, compassionate, loyal, happy, and I can go on and on. But I'm sur if you all know that if you happen to own one. Goldens don't speak, but they ALL greet and meet people wagging their tail and being friendly. Let's learn from them. No golden is better than other, we all love them because they're incredible creatures. I love mine with all my heart simply because they are unconditional with me, and will never judge me, or make me feel bad or sad. We can all learn from them. I sure hope you all have a blessed day, and enjoy your beautiful goldens.
 

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in the medical field they're obligated to state all the options
I don't know that anyone here is being harsh, appalled maybe.
Euthanasia is an option for you with any of your dogs, despite good health. I bet you don't like hearing it though.
 

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Not sure anyone was being judgemental as much as they were saying this was not a condition serious enough to even consider putting down a puppy. If it's not something the people want to deal with... (if this person actually has a problem to deal with) return the dog to the breeder. It was stated many times that a decision like this was up to the owner not the vet. After decades of working in this field I can't imagine any vet that would consider this.
 

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I have never meet such harsh and judgmental people, up until I became a member in this group. When someone comes to this group and shares something, such as an opinion, question, or something they were told, is not to be attacked with comments that make you feel like you're a complete criminal, or make you feel awful for simply replying to the thread. We are all adults, some with more knowledge than others. Talking bad about a veterinarian that you guys don't even know is quiet sad, even my 12 year old son know better than that. I respect you all and I'm glad you guys are so perfect, but there is one thing that I know and that is the fact that we all need to respect peoples opinions. I don't have anything bad to say about this veterinarian, I think that anybody that work in the medical field they're obligated to state all the options, and the facts depending on the circumstances. I wasn't told to euthanized my dog in particular, I was told about what happens in cases when this particular diagnosis leads to that point, but if some people decides that, I certainly respect that and as a civilized human, I will just leave it alone. If we are ever in a situation where we have to be judge, I doubt we want to be treated or have someone say the things that some of you have said, specially without knowing the person. Learn to extend some grace, and most important kindness.

We own one of the most wonderful breeds not only in the US, but also in many other countries, haven't you guys learn from them? I sure have. Goldens are loving, caring, compassionate, loyal, happy, and I can go on and on. But I'm sur if you all know that if you happen to own one. Goldens don't speak, but they ALL greet and meet people wagging their tail and being friendly. Let's learn from them. No golden is better than other, we all love them because they're incredible creatures. I love mine with all my heart simply because they are unconditional with me, and will never judge me, or make me feel bad or sad. We can all learn from them. I sure hope you all have a blessed day, and enjoy your beautiful goldens.
100% agree ^^^^...and I belong to many forums....dogs and otherwise!
 

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I would have to say the same about people thinking they are being rude when appalled that putting down a golden for a skin issue as my opinion is that you don't put animals down for a skin condition. MY opinion is I would never deal with a vet that would recommend or OK to put a dog down over what is essentially excessive dandruff. It's also my opinion that someone who owns a dog with ICT and decides to put it down because it's a slight bother is way out of line... in my opinion. Those people should surrender the dog to a rescue and let them find someone who will take care of it properly.
 

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I don't know that anyone here is being harsh, appalled maybe.
Euthanasia is an option for you with any of your dogs, despite good health. I bet you don't like hearing it though.
None of the Vets in my area will euthanize a healthy dog.........

I've lived in many States due to job transfers, I have yet to meet a Vet that would euthanize a healthy dog.

I got a dog the owners brought into my Vet Clinic to be euthanized because they didn't like her. My Vet instead chose to find her a home, I was lucky enough to get her, she was with me for over 10 years, she was several years old when I got her.
 

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The problem that I personally had with the comment about euthanasia was that a new puppy owner came on asking a question about a specific problem that does affect Goldens. It is TYPICALLY a nuisance in Goldens. I’ve seen the horrible pictures but never of a Golden. The puppy this thread was started for has no symptoms and may not even be affected. Why jump off the deep end of sorrow with a response?

People find there way to this forum when they want experienced opinions, or just thoughts from others that share the love of Goldens. They need to be told the truth, but not scared unnecessarily. If you are just looking for broad statistics you use google. If you want life experience this forum is a great tool.

My vet would never consider it an option. He would re-home the dog. I’ve gotten the call to help care for them before. (Not ICT, but bad owners that didn’t want to tend to them)
 

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Nor would any I know but that was not the point.
What was the point?

I was replying to what you said here-

I don't know that anyone here is being harsh, appalled maybe.
Euthanasia is an option for you with any of your dogs, despite good health. I bet you don't like hearing it though.
 

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What was the point?
Responding to this.
Not gently enough I guess.

Talking bad about a veterinarian that you guys don't even know is quiet sad, even my 12 year old son know better than that. I respect you all and I'm glad you guys are so perfect, but there is one thing that I know and that is the fact that we all need to respect peoples opinions. I don't have anything bad to say about this veterinarian, I think that anybody that work in the medical field they're obligated to state all the options, and the facts depending on the circumstances.
 

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New puppy... hi all. We picked up a new puppy today... all very sudden and last minute from a breeder and discovered both parents are carriers of ichthyosis. The pup is 9 weeks. The breeder did not mention this to me- told me that they had all clearances and i believed her. (Bad move now I know). At pickup i asked for the clearance info and saw this. The pup looks perfect - I checked him thoroughly... but what do I do now? I’m super upset she misled me and now want to have him tested. She said we’d be able to see it at 9 weeks and his skin is perfect. Anyone here with a pup with this that can provide insight? My kids met him and are sooo excited (we brought him
Home). I just don’t know what to do!
New puppy... hi all. We picked up a new puppy today... all very sudden and last minute from a breeder and discovered both parents are carriers of ichthyosis. The pup is 9 weeks. The breeder did not mention this to me- told me that they had all clearances and i believed her. (Bad move now I know). At pickup i asked for the clearance info and saw this. The pup looks perfect - I checked him thoroughly... but what do I do now? I’m super upset she misled me and now want to have him tested. She said we’d be able to see it at 9 weeks and his skin is perfect. Anyone here with a pup with this that can provide insight? My kids met him and are sooo excited (we brought him
Home). I just don’t know what to do!
Hello:

my apologies if my reply lead you to believe that I was implying or even suggesting you to euthanize your puppy, only because you suspect that given the fact that both parents are ichthyosis carries, your pup may end up having it too. Please, and again I’m sorry. I reply to the thread given some information more so to give some information and insight to the ones in favor of breeding dogs that are carriers of this disease. People like us, the ones that want a puppy and the puppies, want a healthy puppy. And believe me, they’re charging us for that. If that’s the case they need to be responsible and breed healthy dogs, healthy in every way possible, and also be honest with the people that are putting all their trust in them. I had a golden who died from old at 12 years, who sadly had it. His life was fine, I did everything in my power to give him the life that he deserved. That included taking him to a dermatologist who walked me through this skin condition, testing, treatment and gave me a general information about this condition and what happens when in some cases is severe. I respect the veterinarian and also thank him for helping me find a way to treat this condition on my dog. No he didn’t suggest euthanized my dog, neither I did it.
I sure hope you can get your puppy tested, is a simple DNA test and it can be order by your vet. And I really hope you can get to an agreement with the breeder.
Again, my apologies if my reply causes any confusion.
 

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This was told also by the vet:
It is possible to manage the condition in affected dogs, but it requires great diligence on the part of owners. Your veterinarian will work with you to find what is most helpful for your dog. Treatment will include frequent mild anti-seborrheic shampoos and moisturizing rinses. Due to the chronic, severe, incurable nature of the skin changes and the intense treatment required, many owners choose to have dogs with ichthyosis euthanized. I had a dog that had this condition and thankfully it was mild and with a lot of consistency and using the right stuff, it never got out of hand. He lived a normal life, but in my opinion, a dog should never go tough that, if a breeder knows both dogs, even one is a carrier, don't breed. People like us trying to get a dog, putting all our faith in "a good breeder" are the only ones paying the price. Is hard, is time consuming, is expensive, and we already paid a significant amount of money for the puppy.


I don’t know how a comment can get so twisted. My post stated something very different to what everybody is implying but if being right is what makes you all feel good, if breeding dogs that carry this condition is also ok for you guys. I said my peace.

On this forum you are safe only when you nod and agree with a bunch of people with a sharp tongue, that loves to humiliate and demean for not following your code of ethics. Sadly you don’t realized that you’re all are self appointed experts with an over inflated ego.
 

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This was told also by the vet:
It is possible to manage the condition in affected dogs, but it requires great diligence on the part of owners. Your veterinarian will work with you to find what is most helpful for your dog. Treatment will include frequent mild anti-seborrheic shampoos and moisturizing rinses. Due to the chronic, severe, incurable nature of the skin changes and the intense treatment required, many owners choose to have dogs with ichthyosis euthanized. I had a dog that had this condition and thankfully it was mild and with a lot of consistency and using the right stuff, it never got out of hand. He lived a normal life, but in my opinion, a dog should never go tough that, if a breeder knows both dogs, even one is a carrier, don't breed. People like us trying to get a dog, putting all our faith in "a good breeder" are the only ones paying the price. Is hard, is time consuming, is expensive, and we already paid a significant amount of money for the puppy.


I don’t know how a comment can get so twisted. My post stated something very different to what everybody is implying but if being right is what makes you all feel good, if breeding dogs that carry this condition is also ok for you guys. I said my peace.

On this forum you are safe only when you nod and agree with a bunch of people with a sharp tongue, that loves to humiliate and demean for not following your code of ethics. Sadly you don’t realized that you’re all are self appointed experts with an over inflated ego.
I don’t think that anyone on this forum thinks they are experts. There are a few people I think really may qualify, I’m not one of those. No one is questioning the data you are posting, but are questioning its validity in this current situation, or in our own cases. I just feel like there are so many horrible things that can be wrong this just isn’t one of them. Should breeders breed 2 carriers? Absolutely not!
I’m going to use my own situation for an example of why I don’t think worst case advice is always helpful. I had a 7 month old puppy in field training. He started to limp. After weeks of xrays and crate rest with no improvement and seeing our local ortho specialist with no diagnosis I took him to Univ. of Penn. Great reputation, good doctors, etc. I spent over $4000 in tests for them to tell me he needed surgery on both front feet and maybe both ellbows for a rare genetic malformation of his sesamoid bones and ED. Total for exploratory surgery and hopeful repair of feet plus elbows $17,000 including follow up. I was distraught. He came from a breeder that did core clearances and a long line of great dogs. The people here were helpful to say the least. I ended up getting multiple opinions and taking him to VOSM. It cost me hundreds (not thousands) of dollars. No surgical option just a strict rehab program. I had vets willing to put him to sleep, it was that bad. VOSM gave me hope but I was skeptical.

He should pass his first hunt test this year. He earned his Dock Sr title and CGC last summer. He is fine.

Why am I taking time to type all this? God forbid someone on here have the same diagnosis I want to be able to give them hope. I want to tell them about VOSM, not all the bad info I got prior to it. I don’t want them to think it’s a life sentence for a 7 month old puppy.

All vets are not created equal. I’m not questioning your vet or your experience. Im simply here to share my experiences. Hopefully some of the things I’ve learned in 30 years of owning these guys will help someone. I never want to make someone feel the way I did when I left Penn. I called my breeder that night and he told me to put my puppy down, per my contract I would get a replacement. The people here, and others I know in the Golden community, helped me! I want to pay that hope and knowledge forward.
 

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A reminder all, please be respectful to one another and keep the Forum rules in mind when posting............
 

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Veterinarians are supposed to lay out all the options. I did not read into the post that the vet suggested euthanasia and in all cases, no matter how bad, it is the owner's choice not the vet's. Owners can request humane euthanasia, and vets can offer relinquishment as an option but people sometimes say no. PTS an otherwise healthy animal is a huge burden on the vet. HUGE. I cannot tell you how many tears I have shed over it personally, when my precious daughter is put in that position and unloads the hurt to me. I think folks here were reacting to the suggestion that ICT is a condition worth P'ingTS but that wasn't the post. It was that PTS was an option used in the past for that one veterinarian. And I am sure the vet documents that they told the client all the options. We're all on edge- let's all be kind to each other. DblTrbl2, your story is a story of success. I am glad you posted it again.
 
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