One of her sons is currently pretty HOT with a lot of people as a stud dog. He's got a nice front and coat. And I watched him grow up. I just love him.>>insert pedigree of big winning girlie from a few short years ago<<<<
If a conformation breeder is breeding true to standard, it calls for "temperament above all else". So breeding for the correct temperament IS breeding to a standard. Gundogs and field dogs should have the same temperament, but I'm not sure if that is as important to breeders to breed field dogs.Thank you. Megora, I don’t see a link? A trainer I used when I fostered because he was good with the kinds of problems that cropped up in rescues, said obedience only shows the handler’s ability to teach a dog to follow commands, and the dog’s ability to follow them. It doesn’t say anything about temperament. So, I’m trying to get a feel for how to look at the whole picture. I thought the point of workin titles isn’t just getting a title but showing a dog is capable of doing what they were bred to do. So, what I take from this is that a dog that can do both will show all sides of capability, except temperament. That would come from the breeder’s expertise and knowledge of their dogs plus observation?
Most people that I know with field bred goldens still place a lot of value on the temperament, attitude, and train-ability of the dog. They choose golden's because they are natural retrievers but also great companions at home and in the field. If you take an aggressive dog to the line in a test/trial you will be disqualified from competition immediately. I could agree that some areas are not as important to the field breeders, but temperament isn't one of the areas.If a conformation breeder is breeding true to standard, it calls for "temperament above all else". So breeding for the correct temperament IS breeding to a standard. Gundogs and field dogs should have the same temperament, but I'm not sure if that is as important to breeders to breed field dogs.
If a conformation breeder is breeding true to standard, it calls for "temperament above all else". So breeding for the correct temperament IS breeding to a standard. Gundogs and field dogs should have the same temperament, but I'm not sure if that is as important to breeders to breed field dogs.
Just to answer some of your other questions:What do you look for when you read a Golden Retriever pedigree? How do you learn kennels and become familiar with breeding dogs and kennels? How much do you know about certain lines? Do Golden breeders ever line breed?
Temperament is probably most important for dogs that are going to interact with people and dogs.If a conformation breeder is breeding true to standard, it calls for "temperament above all else". So breeding for the correct temperament IS breeding to a standard. Gundogs and field dogs should have the same temperament, but I'm not sure if that is as important to breeders to breed field dogs.
In response to Dbl and MegoraIf your dog shows signs of either aggression or fear in the ring - that is something that should require a judge to excuse a handler and dog. I have seen aggression OUTSIDE the show rings (crated dogs in grooming) and I feel like it's related to dogs who are on the road with handlers. The breeders and owners might not know how bad it is unless people complain, I think.
Last year at a show down in OH, there were a LOT of complaints about crate aggressive goldens. And these particular dogs were with a handler. Nobody really knew who the dogs actually were or who the breeder was. It just was a very negative thing because in goldens most people are on the lookout for bad temperament. Biggest golden in conformation a couple years ago caused a huge powwow online because somebody either saw or thought they saw him go after another dog in the ring. <<= I was at the show and did not hear or see anything happen, but did not stop other people from talking.
Same thing in obedience, btw - though it is far less obvious because the owners are always there. If they know the dog has issues with other dogs, if they are good and experienced trainers - they will take precautions to make sure nothing happens.
I have NO IDEA whether or how it costs dogs in field - but can only assume that likewise, people are careful to avoid big terrible things from happening. Remember, dogs are dogs. And higher/hotter the energy/drive - more chance of the dogs being jerks in the wrong situation.
The Border Collie breed, sadly, is full of fear reactivity. I love them, they are my heart breed, but they are a mess. I would say that greater than 50% of the BCs I've met are fear reactive towards dogs, humans or both and at least 80% resource guard. It's a shame. If you ask me, I think this came from some rather...unscrupulous...to say the least breeding of the breed in Australia and NZ and those dogs getting exported all over the world to add into conformation breeding programs. Not to say that working dogs don't have the same issues, I have just done less pedigree research because most working BCs aren't registered with the AKC and their pedigrees are a little harder to track.IWS - I've heard the dog had a meltdown because it had to poop. I think that and just random spooking over weird things isn't necessarily an indication that there is a temperament issue.
A couple summers ago I had a very WEIRD thing happen at a dog show with my Bertie. Judge was a very old man who was unstable on his feet and kinda had some odd mannerisms (very sweet man though). When he came up to examine Bertie, he was making odd whistling sounds through his teeth and kinda fell forward over Bertie's back.
Bertie flaked out and did not want to be examined. Judge DID get to check Bertie's gonads - but just barely with me dropping to my knees and making sure he stood. He did shy his butt away from the judge and refused to stand still while the judge went over him - which was something that I felt so strongly would cause us to be excused. Judge did not excuse us and we ended up with 2nd place in our class (5 dogs out there and mine was the only that was shying away from the judge). Bertie is a very correct dog and when he moves, he's correct and will catch a movement judge's eye. But that was a case where I felt pretty sheepish about the whole thing. I think that it's possible that the reason why we were not excused was because while Bertie refused to stand still for the judge, he was wiggling and doing a "I'm so sorry!!!" wiggle for the judge the whole time.
About BC's.... the really sad thing is 50% of BC's that I've met in obedience related situations are dog aggressive. The other 50% is mostly spooky or fearful dogs with some exceptions. It was a BC person who just about chewed my head off because I had my dogs on a loose lead while I chatted with a friend and they wandered too close to the BC person's dogs. They weren't close enough to visit her dog, but owner still keenly noticed my lack of attention. She grumbled about us golden people not knowing how to manage our dogs. >.<