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I just got my girl on Friday. She is an excellent puppy -- the usual puppy issues, but those I can handle. My problem is that she hates being crated. I know that doesn't sound bad, but the problem is I can't go anywhere. If I leave and come back, she has defecated in her crate and created a mess. I've started leaving treats in the crate and she likes that, but she freaks as soon as she's locked in there, even if I'm in the room. I have to go back to work tomorrow and I don't know what to do.
 

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I'm sorry for your stress. That would upset me too.

Have you talked to her breeder for suggestions? Did she receive any time being exposed to a crate before she came home with you?

Do you have someone coming to let her out while you are at work?

How big is the crate? Is it tiny so it's just enough space for her to turn around and lay down? Generally a puppy will not soil their sleep space which is why crate training works. Trying to figure out if she has too much space.

Is it normal poo (formed) or is it diarrhea? Did you keep her on the same food or change it? Is she on a regular potty routine? Trying to figure out if she is getting an upset stomach from being so upset or if she has digestive problems.

Are you working on things to get her adjusted to her kennel? Letting her eat in there, hiding treats in there, rewarding her for going in there? Do a google search for "crate games" a puppy training book on things you can do to make the crate less upsetting.

Try searching the forum for threads like "puppy hates crate" etc. and see if you can find helpful tips from others who have gone through this. You will get through it.
 

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I'm sorry for your stress. That would upset me too.

Have you talked to her breeder for suggestions? Did she receive any time being exposed to a crate before she came home with you?

Do you have someone coming to let her out while you are at work?

How big is the crate? Is it tiny so it's just enough space for her to turn around and lay down? Generally a puppy will not soil their sleep space which is why crate training works. Trying to figure out if she has too much space.

Is it normal poo (formed) or is it diarrhea? Did you keep her on the same food or change it? Is she on a regular potty routine? Trying to figure out if she is getting an upset stomach from being so upset or if she has digestive problems.

Are you working on things to get her adjusted to her kennel? Letting her eat in there, hiding treats in there, rewarding her for going in there? Do a google search for "crate games" a puppy training book on things you can do to make the crate less upsetting.

Try searching the forum for threads like "puppy hates crate" etc. and see if you can find helpful tips from others who have gone through this. You will get through it.

Breeder said she may just be experiencing stress and that it's normal. I'm honestly now sure if she had crate experience, but she had five littermates and a little bit different of a set-up.


I'm going to let her out at lunch when I'm at work. I haven't had the issue happen yet though.


Stool is slightly different than normal, but not the runs. No diet change. I tested it once by hiding in the bathroom and observing her and she pooped within a minute because she was so distressed.


She's been eating in her kennel. I've started doing some crate games with her.



It's really the one thing that's bothering me. Accidents happen, I can clean pee and poop up, but when it's in the crate and messy and all that's happening, it's like overload for me.
 

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Hi There,
Our trick in getting our now 12 week old pup, Bruno, to like his day crate is to put a T shirt that I have worn (or my husband's) in his crate. It calms him down immediately. He now sleeps/plays in his crate for up to 2 or 3 hours at a time until he starts squealing that he needs to poop or pee. We work from home, so it's never a problem to take him out. I switch out the shirts every few days so he always has a "fresh" mom/dad smelling shirt...btw, amazingly, he does not shred them, but uses them as a pillow or sleeps right on top of them.

As for him defecating, might your crate be too big at the moment? They only need space to stand, turn around and lay flat. More space than that and they will use the opposite side as a toilet...that's been my experience...Good luck!
 

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I would make the crate smaller. Make sure it is ONLY big enough for her to lay down/turn around in.

Put a tee shirt you have worn in the crate. One thing we did with Denver when he was brand new was fill up a water bottle with warm water and wrap my shirt around it. He would cuddle up next to the shirt-wrapped-bottle for comfort and he seemed to really like that. We ended up purchasing this: https://www.chewy.com/smart-pet-love-snuggle-puppy/dp/135569?utm_source=google-product&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=hg&utm_content=Smart Pet Love&utm_term=&gclid=Cj0KCQjwtr_mBRDeARIsALfBZA4LnRaVXCrZ3q0-yibiTn_f0-I1jwu-MqhFMDhqWF_FEgsPCqGrRUsaAlFGEALw_wcB

^Same idea as the water bottle, just easier & it has a 'heartbeat' which gives the puppy the feeling of not being alone.

Play white noise on speakers or Alexa if you have one. If you have a TV, leave that on so it's not silent in your home when you leave.

Hang in there! Denver hated the crate in the beginning. He would cry so incredibly loud I felt so bad for our neighbors. It progressively got better and better and then after 2 weeks he was fine.
 

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I completely understand that cleaning up accidents is one thing but coming home to a crate and puppy covered in feces is another. I am hoping you can get some input from others here who have been through this. Sweetgirl had a tough go with Shala although there were health issues going on. Try sending her a PM and asking her for input or use the search feature and see if you can find old threads on this subject. You will get through this, hang in there.

Does she sleep in her crate at night? I always hid treats in my puppy's crate so that whenever she stepped foot in there she would discover them, sort of like the treat fairy hid them. It was no time until we'd go upstairs at night and she would RUN and dive into her crate looking for them. She still gets one every time she steps foot in there.
 

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Oh, those first days home can be a real challenge for everyone! Hang in there, it will get better. Maybe try making her an “ice pop” — Kong stuffed with really super-gloppy oatmeal mixed with a bit of peanut better and banana, then freeze it solid. Give it to her when you crate her. That should keep her busy for awhile.


One thing that worked for us was to put pupsters in an ex-pen during the day, and saved the crate for sleeping at night. Did your breeder use a litter Box? If so, you can put one in the pen (not the crate). If you try this, be sure to watch her the first few times. My pup decided that the “litter” material was great to snack on. Yuck.

We have something like this — not having the horizontal cross bars makes it harder to crawl/climb out of.

https://www.chewy.com/carlson-pet-products-convertible-pet/dp/43485
 

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I went through this with Luna when we first brought her home. I thought that because she slept in her crate at night just fine that she'd be ok if we put her in there for 15 minutes to shower... I came back to find a frantic little baby covered in her own poop. That was an hour plus clean up. She'd managed to get it on every bar of the crate practically and I couldn't believe how traumatic being alone in a cage was for her.

What I did was slow way down. I put her in her crate with the door open and fed her tiny treats till she was calm and happy in there. I fed all of her meals in her crate and only gave her really good treats like frozen Kongs in her crate. I'd also hide her favorite treats in the crate so she'd start to think that the crate was a great place where good things happened.

Then I started closing the door and walking away a little bit and returned to give her a treat when she was quiet. Then I started to leave her for 10 seconds only returning to give her a treat when she was quiet and worked our way up to a couple of minutes. It was a long process that we practiced multiple times every day. When my husband and I both had to go back to work, I started bringing her to a dog training school that did all day puppy kindergarten and had them play crate games with her and help her learn to settle in her crate. I also used a Rover sitter to watch her on days she wasn't at puppy kindergarten. Good luck and hang in there! A needy GR puppy is shockingly intense to take care of but it gets so much better in a couple of months and they are so worth it.
 

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I’ve brought quite a few pups home over the years. Here’s my rotation for crating.
Initially they hate the crate. The sooner you get them over it the better.
I get a large Sherpa bag and put it in the front seat of the car. Put pup in crate, make it fun. Start car. Start driving. When pup starts wailing, roll down windows and sing to pup. In the beginning stop often and talk to pup, and let them out, put them on the ground and talk to them. Then pick them up and put them back in the crate in the car. Each day you drive a little more. Before long pup is happy and doesn’t wail. Lots and lots of treats.
For nights, out crate next to bed. Talk to pup and put your hand on top through the openings if you can. Take them out of crate often and outside often during the night. It doesn’t take long.

Pups can sure wail and cry. Have a plan and stick to it. Don’t break down and let them sleep on the bed with you in order to get them to sleep at night.
 

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I have no real-life advice to offer as I don't have a puppy yet. We did like the book by Ian Dunbar "Before and After Getting Your Puppy", his method is very similar to what eeerrrmmm described. I'll be following your thread and hope it gets better.

I noticed you are going back to work tomorrow. If you decide that you need a dog sitter for the time being, Rover.com has a checkbox "puppy care" to help search for dog sitters who offer that option. In our area, there are also dog walking companies who offer puppy care and would cost slightly more but typically would have insurance.
 

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I have a puppy from same breeder. My puppy’s litter did have crate exposure. Mine hated XPen but loves her crate. There is another member on here with a puppy from my dog’s litter and I’m not sure if he can say how he did.

How big is your crate? We started off with a small one and eventually graduated to a 42” crate. She’s coming from an environment where she had five siblings but also there are other dogs around them 24/7. Did she say anything about her personality? As far as stomach, mine did have some upset stomach incidents in her crate but it was only after training session days. We’ve had to really “fine tune” treats. Probiotics did help.

If it makes you feel any better we got one mile from her house and she pooped everywhere in her kennel. Stopped on the side of the road and a guy mowing his lawn asked if we were alright. After cleaning her up, we got an hour down the road and she threw up. Then we stopped at a brewery and next thing she’s throwing up in my hands! It took until over six months of age to get her to the point she could ride in the car without puking. She still has hesitation about getting in the car.

I think part of our help was there is another dog here. She didn’t love her for about three weeks BUT she did sleep next to her kennel. Kind of a “love at distance.”

It will get better.
 

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I had a major crate-hater, as Nolefan mentioned. :smile2:
Here's one big thing: it is MUCH different to them if they are in the crate when you are home as opposed to your not being home. Trying it out by being in another room or being in the bathroom is very different from leaving your house and walking away from your house. They have to know you are gone. I did not ever crate my dog when I was home - that was absolute hell to her, so I just didn't do it. I put up baby gates and puppy-proofed, and just let her follow me around. I closed her in the bathroom with me when I showered. She was happy, I was happy. But she did get crated, very last thing, when I left for work.

1. Make sure the crate is just big enough for your pup to walk in, turn around and lie down. It is less likely they will pee or poop where they sleep. Don't coddle and lure and use treats. Just make it very matter of fact. Say the same thing every day, like, time for a rest. Say it a few times, and then pick her up and put her in. Leave as quickly as possible. Don't respond to the crying. It's hard, but you can't. Just go.

2. If your pup is only 9 weeks old when you are going back to work, it would be good to have someone come in half way through the morning and halfway through the afternoon (in addition to you taking her out right before you go to work, at lunch, and as soon as you get home). At that age, they really just can't always hold it that long. If there is an accident, just clean it up. Don't punish. It happens. Try not leaving a bed or towel in the crate.

3. The pooping may well be from stress, especially if she is pooping right after you leave. My pup pooped, too, and I wanted to know of it was because she was stressed or whether it was desperation because she had giardia and coccidia (it was the latter). I got a puppy cam (a wireless home camera) and watched and listened to her on my phone when I left. The one good thing I learned was that she did not cry for as long as I feared when I left (usually about 10 minutes, on bad days, about 20). If you share walls with neighbours, bring a bottle of wine over, tell them what is going on, and ask for their patience. They can also help by letting you know how long the puppy does cry if you don't have a camera, but I highly suggest the camera.

What I noticed by watching my pup: something to chew really helped. Try leaving a big, sturdy Nylabone in with her. Shala would cry cry cry, chew chew, chew, cry, chew more, cry, chew more and more, and slowly calm herself down. I'm not saying it would be a solution for all, but it helped her a lot.

4. I also got pheremone spray from my vet. I was a total skeptic but was willing to try anything - and I do think it worked. It was called Adaptil. I only used it in the night crate as she was worse at night because I was home (even though the crate was in my room with me). I do think it helped her to settle. You could try it in your crate when you go to work. (You spray in very sparingly about 20-30 minutes before you leave).

5. Feed her in the crate when you are home. You don't have to close her in it, just be very matter-of-fact and put the food bowl at the back of the crate so she needs to go all the way in to eat. Then let her come out on her own terms (she will see that it's not closed). It just helps in making the crate a good place.

To me, the most important thing is that you can't play into the resistance. The more you coddle or treat or lure or whatever, the worse she will get. It just has to be fact of life. She is safer in the crate when you are not home, therefore, she has to go in the crate when you're not home. I am not at ALL saying you have to be harsh or negative or punish. Not at all. Just be confident and calm. Speak gently and reassuringly (but not in a "poor puppy" voice). You need to help build her confidence around it. It DOES take time. Shala cried when I left for at least 3-4 weeks (but less and less as time went on). And we had had a much longer time to work on it (I was off for a month when she first came home, so I had done short outings and left her in the crate). I did the whole leave for 5 minutes, come home. Next time, leave for 10 minutes, come home. We built up the time slowly. But it sounds like you don't have the luxury of time, so she is just going to have to learn a bit faster. She WILL be okay. Just remember, she is safer in the crate.
 

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You just got the puppy I assume on Friday, 4-5 days ago. Just to ask " how many hours do you leave your puppy alone in the crate?" when you are absent. You said you will go for work. How many hours will you be absent??
 

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You just got the puppy I assume on Friday, 4-5 days ago. Just to ask " how many hours do you leave your puppy alone in the crate?" when you are absent. You said you will go for work. How many hours will you be absent??

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at (that I'm ditching the dog for too long??), but I don't believe I'm doing anything that other people wouldn't do. I'm willing to come home twice during the work day. Right now I have my mom watching her so that we don't have to do a clean-up.
 

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When our pup was very small we took him into the garden (yard) for him to do his businesses after each meal (we gave him 4 or 5 small meals evenly spaced throughout the day) and also every hour or so. Despite this we still had the odd accident on the kitchen floor. He really couldn’t hold his pee/poo for very long at all at that age.

I waited until I could take early retirement before we got him but I couldn’t begin to imagine how I would deal with a young pup and go to work too. I would think you will need understanding and helpful friends, family or neighbours to help.


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Raising a puppy is very difficult besides time & energy consuming. Therefore, there are many families who look for adult goldens from the rescues. The accidents you mention are very very normal ( at least for me). You'll have to be very patient, feed her 5-6 times a day , accordingly have her pee & poo 5-6 times a day which will gradually lessen.You are just at the beginning. This is only the Ouverture. Don't worry all will be fine.
 

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By the way, everyone please understand that "puppy crying at night", "puppy not entering the crate", "puppy poo all day", those are not problems. Here people are loosing their dogs, the dogs for which they would die for even at 6 years old due to cancer. They would give their everything to hear the bark, cry, the vicious manners of their dogs one more day.
PUPPY is not cute. PUPPY is cute for your eyes. PUPPY is difficult. Raising a puppy needs courage, strongwill, determination and sacrifice of sleep.
Just today, an psychopath woman called "Tonya Fea" has been arrested for drowning a puppy in a locked cage !! She basically threw a puppy into the water with a heavy vase tied . This incident occured on the 30th April and she has been finally arrested today.
People are suffering here due to their loss, due to animal cruelties. Each minute, each second a dog is loosing his life due to euthanasia , human torture or health conditions.
I may be very sensitive at the moment, but drowning a 10 weeks of golden retriever as a planned crime really broke my heart . Hold on to your dogs. You are their everything. You made a vow to be together on both bad & good days. Believe me our dogs witness and have to keep up with our s.... more than we do with theirs.
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By the way, everyone please understand that "puppy crying at night", "puppy not entering the crate", "puppy poo all day", those are not problems. Here people are loosing their dogs, the dogs for which they would die for even at 6 years old due to cancer. They would give their everything to hear the bark, cry, the vicious manners of their dogs one more day.
PUPPY is not cute. PUPPY is cute for your eyes. PUPPY is difficult. Raising a puppy needs courage, strongwill, determination and sacrifice of sleep.
Just today, an psychopath woman called "Tonya Fea" has been arrested for drowning a puppy in a locked cage !! She basically threw a puppy into the water with a heavy vase tied . This incident occured on the 30th April and she has been finally arrested today.
People are suffering here due to their loss, due to animal cruelties. Each minute, each second a dog is loosing his life due to euthanasia , human torture or health conditions.
I may be very sensitive at the moment, but drowning a 10 weeks of golden retriever as a planned crime really broke my heart . Hold on to your dogs. You are their everything. You made a vow to be together on both bad & good days. Believe me our dogs witness and have to keep up with our s.... more than we do with theirs.
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That is a very disturbing story. I am sure the OP is simply expressing frustration and nothing more. It is NORMAL to be frustrated, it doesn't mean you don't love your pup or wouldn't do anything for her. Everyone here knows the pain of losing their dog to cancer, etc. I am sure you mean well, but I feel like I need to support the OP because she is coming here to get support, not judgement because she is frustrated. I get frustrated with Coco whom I have had for 3 weeks now. Raising a golden puppy is hard work and yes worth every minute. Pooping in crate, puppy not adjusting to the crate, shark teeth, potty accidents, these are real problems. I'm having a hard time with the landshark phase. And I have gotten some great advice from our members.
 

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I just got my girl on Friday. She is an excellent puppy -- the usual puppy issues, but those I can handle. My problem is that she hates being crated. I know that doesn't sound bad, but the problem is I can't go anywhere. If I leave and come back, she has defecated in her crate and created a mess. I've started leaving treats in the crate and she likes that, but she freaks as soon as she's locked in there, even if I'm in the room. I have to go back to work tomorrow and I don't know what to do.
I understand your frustration as I have a new puppy too, had her for 3 weeks now. No problem in crate though. My breeder was ingenious in that she gave each pup in litter a giant sized stuffed animal bunny to get the litter smell on and I put that in Coco's crate and she snuggles up to it when in crate, as if it is her mom. So maybe you can get a well stitched decent size stuffed animal to give your pup comfort when she is in crate. Maybe put your tshirt on it and she can snuggle it. I also put the radio on when I leave. Good luck. Hang in there. I know its hard. We are having land shark and "biting attacks" issues.
 

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I am not judging anyone on anything and it's a great thing you ask for assistance. My point is that these issues are not to surprised about. No dogs are the same , even within the same litters. But there are basic puppy behaviours. I prefer though people to be trained BEFORE getting a puppy, read books , talk to other dog owners, dog behaviourists and be ready for any issues coming up.I have read even on the forum a person being SICK of walking her dog. Once you use the vocabulary BEING SICK there is no way back. Those puppies did not ask to be born ,bought or adopted. It was your choice. And every choice comes with pros and cons.People on the forum make a long long research on the breeders especially on the health of future litters. However, it does not end up only with the health. My point is people shall also do more research about any issues ( for me those are not issues) coming up with raising a puppy. Our mood , our aura or even body language have an effect on those puppies. The same is valid for raising a child. There are many women / families out there giving birth to a child and raise her without first thinking if she is or the members of the family are psychologically ready,if the home environment is adequate . How many times a woman shall wake up in the middle of the night to breastfeed her child? And the child can cry all day long. Maybe her bestie's childy never cry.Therefore, deciding on a puppy / child is a very very big responsibility. What I want to state is that there is nothing wrong with your child / or puppy. They are just different from eachother. And with time everything resolves. I never had this opportunity. I always had multi dogs. Rescued dogs with different behavioural problems. I could not even give proper training to our own dogs because I was unfortunately busy rescuing other dogs. Once you have seen one ruin, you have seen them all. And the blame is on me. However, I never struggled, got sick of, frustrated . I made a vow.
 
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