[charaross]

Hi there. My golden is a year and a half and has a very sensitive stomach. We started feeding her canidae and she devoloped severe gas and bloating. We then switched to Eukanuba for large breed.
It has been brought to my attention that the Eukenuba is full of corn fillers. I have been looking for another food for her for a while. My local Shur-Gain has a product called Canine Plus. It is advertising their product as "corn and Gulten free."
Here are the ingredients:
Fresh chicken meat, chicken meal, brown rice, whole barley, dehulled oats, beet pulp(sugar removed), chicken fat( preserved rosemary, extract,citric acid, and mixed ocopherols), menhaden fish meal, flaxseed, dried whole egg, brewers dried yeast, natural flavors, sodium chloride, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, choline chloride mannanoligosaccharide, diacalcium phosphate, safflower oil, lecithin, zinc sulfate, ferrous sulphate, glucosamine hydrochloride, taurine, yucca shidigera extract, vitiman suppliments A,D,E, niacin, garlic, tomato powder, copper sulphate, manganese sulphate, calcium pantonthenate, riboflaven, thaimine mononitrate, chelated minerals (zinc, copper, manganses, iron) Biotin, juniper,pyridoxine hydrocholride, sodium selente, vitiman b12, calcium Iodate, follic acid, menadione sodium, bisulphite complex(source of vitaim k activity).

So what do you think. Is it good to feed my golden?


Thanks, Chara and "Jessie" of Nova Scotia, Canada

 

[tippykayak]

Is your dog doing well on Eukanuba? If so, keep her there. Eukanuba is not "full of corn fillers." There's an anti-grain bias on the internet that isn't grounded in real science. Corn isn't an evil or dangerous ingredient, and most dogs have no problem digesting grains or gluten. In fact, there's plenty of good science out there that suggests that an appropriate proportion of carbohydrates in food is good for energy and digestive health.

If your dog has a sensitive stomach and is doing well on a food, switching seems crazy to me.

 

[Ash]

I would try to switch to something with a little bit less corn/grains and see if that helps. Some dogs are just not good with some foods. I am feeding Acana and have had very good luck with it.

 

[charaross]

She is doing well on Eukenuba, but i was just worrysome of the corn meal as the first ingredient.
Everyone in my community reccomends this Canine Plus, but i can't find any info about it.
Right now i am still going to stay with the Eukenuba until I find out more about it.

 

[Bock]

She is doing well on Eukenuba, but i was just worrysome of the corn meal as the first ingredient.
Everyone in my community reccomends this Canine Plus, but i can't find any info about it.
Right now i am still going to stay with the Eukenuba until I find out more about it.

The Canine Plus looks like a decent food.

 

[jwemt81]

Is your dog doing well on Eukanuba? If so, keep her there. Eukanuba is not "full of corn fillers." There's an anti-grain bias on the internet that isn't grounded in real science. Corn isn't an evil or dangerous ingredient, and most dogs have no problem digesting grains or gluten. In fact, there's plenty of good science out there that suggests that an appropriate proportion of carbohydrates in food is good for energy and digestive health.

If your dog has a sensitive stomach and is doing well on a food, switching seems crazy to me.

I totally agree 150%. If you have been having food problems in the past and your dog is finally doing well on Eukanuba, then don't change! We feed it. It's a perfectly good food. We tried several other premium and grain-free foods and had loose stool and gas problems with just about all of them. The only 2 foods that Tucker does excellent on are Iams and Eukanuba (same company), so that is what we feed and have been for about 6 months now with no problems whatsoever. Tucker never did this well on any other foods. He has a very shiny and soft coat, firm stools, and lots of energy. If your dog is doing well on this food, definitely do not switch to something else. That could only cause more problems.

 

[missmarstar]

She is doing well on Eukenuba, but i was just worrysome of the corn meal as the first ingredient.
Everyone in my community reccomends this Canine Plus, but i can't find any info about it.
Right now i am still going to stay with the Eukenuba until I find out more about it.

I personally would not feed any food with corn meal as the first ingredient. Sure, many dogs have no issues digesting corn, but that does not mean that a diet heavier in corn than meat is a good choice for a carnivorous animal.

I'd personally switch to something a little more meat heavy. The Canine Plus looks good.

 

[tippykayak]

She is doing well on Eukenuba, but i was just worrysome of the corn meal as the first ingredient.
Everyone in my community reccomends this Canine Plus, but i can't find any info about it.
Right now i am still going to stay with the Eukenuba until I find out more about it.

The first ingredient in Eukanuba Large Breed Adult food is "chicken." Corn meal is the second.

 

[charaross]

Sorry I am feeding the adult weight control, in which the first ingredient is corn meal. Jessie was overweight , but has lost almost 10 pounds, due to more exercise, less treat training and weight red. food. We are changing back to regular adult eukenuba food next bag we buy.(chicken first then cornmeal) The vert says she is at her correct weight. (63pounds)

 

[Lucky's mom]

I feed Lucky the weight-control Eukanuba/Iams and it really helps keep the weight down. Sometimes I switch to regular Eukanuba...and he starts putting it on. In my opinion keeping the weight off is more important then whether corn comes first or chicken.

You can feed your pup less of the higher calorie food though...and that will help.

I always have concerns about a company's longitivity and reputation. I think that should be a consideration as well...not just the ingredients. The ingredients don't tell you what actual quality they are or if the company has good practices in manufacturing.

That is just my personal concerns. If I know a lot of people using something and happy with it then I feel a lot more comfortable.

 

[Lucky's mom]

If you are set on trying something holistic, I know that I have read favorable comments from holistic people and commercial food oriented people on Eagle Pack.

But I do think that with your dog, changing might be an unnecessary gastric disturbance risk if the Eukanuba is workig out well. Especially if bloating has been an issue.

 

[Debles]

Since switching foods and having my dog lose his hair and 15 pounds due to an allergic reaction, I recommend staying on a food that works for your dog. especially if he is young.

If your dog is doing well, growing, has a healthy coat, poop etc , I'd stay with what you are doing. At least till he is older. If you do eventually switch, do it very slowly over a long period of time mixing the two foods.

I had three goldens live their entire long lives on Purina. Sometimes I think we get food switch crazy.

 

[charaross]

Thanks everyone, I appriciate all the help. I guess I was just overreacting to this corn products phase. She is doing very well on Eukanuba. Stool is solid, no bloating or gas. I think I will stick with what is working, and will change only if things change!
Thanks Again!

 

[T&T]

Sorry I am feeding the adult weight control, in which the first ingredient is corn meal. Jessie was overweight , but has lost almost 10 pounds, due to more exercise, less treat training and weight red. food. We are changing back to regular adult eukenuba food next bag we buy.(chicken first then cornmeal) The vert says she is at her correct weight. (63pounds)

Yes but ...
Ingredients are listed by weight
Chicken (versus chicken meal) is inclusive of water ...
(Also not to be confused with chicken by-produt meal)

MEAT VS. MEAL ON PET FOOD LABELING​

[Chicken & Lamb are 70% water and only 15% protein]
Pet food labels found in grocery and mass marketers like to use Chicken or Lamb to represent real meat. –(Containing 70% moisture). This leads you the consumer to believe that their product is meat based. Chicken or lamb meats are heavier than grains prior to cooking. The moisture contained in the meats (70%) is reduced by 2/3rds after the cooking process, leaving the total formula as a grain base food after processing.
vs.
Meal
[Chicken Meal and Lamb Meal are dry and 50% to 65% protein] meat protein!
... Chicken, Turkey and Lamb meals are dry and are less than 10% moisture and contain 50% - 65% meat proteins. In processing the meat meals do not shrink below the grain weight, producing a true meat based formula for your carnivores.
AAFCO label rules require that, the heaviest to the lightest ingredients be the order on the guaranteed analysis panel, (with or without water content).
quoted from Canidae.com
( just one of many links )​

And here's an interesting link on ingredients
http://www.naturalnews.com/Report_pet_food_ingredients_6.html​

or
http://www.innovapet.com/ingredients.asp?alpha=A


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[Lucky's mom]

Well Charaross....as you can see there is much different thought on this thing called dog food. I know you look through the different thought and philosophies and make the best decision.

 

[msdogs1976]

Thanks everyone, I appriciate all the help. I guess I was just overreacting to this corn products phase. She is doing very well on Eukanuba. Stool is solid, no bloating or gas. I think I will stick with what is working, and will change only if things change!
Thanks Again!

Good thinking.