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I need some help and opinion. As most of you know my Beau suffers from seizures. By keeping a journal I noticed that after giving him the monthly Heartguard pill he would have a seizure within 24 hours. After discussions with the vet, he said we would try the Interceptor. All was good last month when I gave it to him. NO SEIZURES!!! So I thought we were home free. He was protected against heartworms and the meds were not setting off seizures. Until last night.
I was in chat late last night and wondered if Beau was going to seize since I gave him his meds Sat morning. After getting offline I went to bed. I was laying in bed and started to notice Beau was breathing really wierd. So I got on the floor with him and sat with him. I noticed he was doing hard fast breathing like panting and during that he would be stiff like when he had a seizure. Also his eyes would be open and it was like he wa staring in the distance. Then he would stop and start normal breathing and just hold my hand with his paws. And he would touch me with his head. Then about 5 minutes later he would start it all over again. It went on for hours. At about 5am he settled down and went to sleep. I layed there the whole time talking and petting him.

My questions are 1. Does this sound like it was a bunch of small cluster seizures? He has never had anything like that before? One night he was doing hard breathing and seemed unsettled. But went right to bed and slept.
2. Should I have taken him to the emergency vet? I didnt because last time I took him it was a fiasco there and they just shaved him in two places and gave him an IV he didnt need and the tech never passed the info to the vet or only gave half his history. It was the worst experience I have ever had.
3. The last time he had the hard breathing, the vet did an EKG on him and it came back good. No problems. The Sotalol is keeping his heart rate at a good level. But then the cardiologist said he wanted to have Beau wear a heart monitor for 24 hrs. We didnt do it because if he was having a good heart rate and the panting and breathing hard seems to happen at seizure time and we didnt know when those happen. So it seemed like a waste to me.

I am sorry if this is long. But I am just so worried and at a loss on what to do. And this is on top of his weight problem that we cant seem to get the thyroid meds rights because of his seizures?
Any info or input will be appreciated.
 

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I am afraid I can offer no suggestion as to what your Beau was going through last night. However if he is having problems with heartworm preventative I would go to a good holistic vet and discuss with them. I know there are some organic/holistic applications you can use as an alternative. I believe black walnut shells is one.
Good luck and I hope all is fine with your lovely Beau.
 

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Carol, I don't know if this was necessarily cluster seizures, or maybe an anaphalactic reaction to the meds. If he were mine, I would call and talk to my vet about the episode, and certainly journal it. Watch him closely and if it occurs again, I wouldn't hesitate to get him right in.
Any seizure activity is frightening, and I'm sorry that Beau (and you) have contend with it.
 

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I'm so sorry to hear you are going through all of that! Good for you keeping a journal! i wish I could help, i'll send some good thoughts your way!
 

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I wish I could offer advice, but don't no anything about that topic. I am keeping you and Beau in my thoughts
 

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Poor Beau .. Our prayers for him.

This may sound a little crazy but have you considered having a MRI scan done on his head? I know they have done pets at the nearby imaging center.

We don't know the differences in the various monthly meds but we are using Sentinel. Didn't see you mention that one.
 

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I don't have an answer, but wanted to send you good thoughts.

One thing I would do is give him the Interceptor on a weekday if at all possible. That would make it more likely that if you have to take him to the vet, your regular vet will be open instead of dealing with the emergency vet again.
 

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I am going to be in the vets office first thing tomorrow morning and have a big discussion with him. We have not had an MRI done on him. The vet did alot of tests on him and everything has come back normal and with his age, he feels that it is probably an brain tumor. Everytime Beau has to spend any length of time at the vet doing tests it usually sets off more seizures and it also caused him to bloat. With his heart problems the vet said he probably would not be a good candidate for any treatment with the tumor.
I am doing some research to see what is in each heartworm meds. It is so frustrating.
He is hanging pretty close to me and laying at my feet right now keeping them toasty warm. And to top it off he has another hotspot, that makes two in 3 wks and this is the third in three months. He needs a bath really bad but I dont want to set off anymore hotspots.
I love this big guy and am feeling really lost and scared for him.
 

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Hi Carol, I'm so sorry that Beau (and you) are going through this. We have dealt with seizures for many years in 2 different dogs. It is no fun. It does sound to me like a type of seizure. Not the textbook "grand mal" type, but still it is abnormal brain activity, and can be called a seizure.

We have found that our golden's seizures are definitely linked to low thryroid. Since we have had her on thyroid medicine, the seizures have stopped. She is also on phenobarbital. Once you get Beau's thyroid medicine figured out, I'll bet the seizures get much better.

One important thing that our vet prescribed for us to give to Annie was Valium. If we see a seizure coming on (sometimes we noticed a clingy behavior in her), we would give Valium by mouth. If a seizure already happened, we could give her liquid valium rectally. She had 3 major clusters in one day and we never want that to happen again.

I would ask your vet about keeping at least the Valium tablets on hand for just a situation like last night. After the first episode, it would appropriate to give Beau a dose and that would probably prevent or diminish the other episodes.

I might add that we eventually switched veterinarians. The new doctor is younger and much more creative and aggressive about finding the solutions. We love him! Our vet of many years (we also like a lot) just didn't have the enthusiasm to find a solution. Our dogs are so important to us (like your are) I kept searching for answers.

My thoughts and prayers are with you and Beau.
 

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Carol,

I'm so sorry poor Beau and you went through this. I have no advice other than to keep asking questions and searching. Sending positive thoughts your way.
 

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carol i'm so sorry, this must be so scary for Beau and you. i've got you both in my thoughts today.
 

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I've provided a link to site that has a lot of info on seizures, but perhaps you are already familiar with it. www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-angels.com/ My oldest girl has had seizure and I found the info at this site both interesting and informational. Luckily, she seems to have stopped having any, which may be attributed to changing the food she was on. I do hope you get to the source of the problem for both Beau's sake and your own. They are such scary things to experience and you feel so helpless. Your keeping a journal and remaining calm are great things, as well as seeking medical attention. Unfortunately, seizures appear to confound a lot of vets too. Good Luck with Beau; and I hope these weren't cluster seizures.
Saca, Cahill, Chase and Sage at The Bridge
 

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I have just spent the last hours surfing looking for info about heartworm meds and seizures. On the canine-epilepsy.net forum website almost everyone gives their dog the Interceptor so I am at a loss even more.
Saca, I have that website thanks. I am just blurry eyed looking at all the sites.
So if anyone may have some other sites or med ideas for heartworm please let me know. I am going to go now and lay down and just cry because I am feeling so lost on what to do and where to go.
 

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I'm sorry I can't offer anything more than a shoulder to cry on. We're keeping you and Beau in our thoughts and prayers.
 

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BeauShel:

I just saw this thread as I am going to dinner (having to help prepare it.).

Atticus has seizure episodes like Beau--just had one on Saturday as well. He used to be on Sotolol for his heart problems.

I'll add my two cents after we've had supper.

Sorry to hear about Beau--hope I can be of some help.

I'll be back on in about an hour........

SJ
 
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