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I truly am a lover of golden retrievers and I need help. I was in a breeding contract with a breeder that had no end date. Like a fool I signed the contract and then she changed the terms...over and over and over. I know breeding is not a big deal to breeders out there but we could see a change, both physical and behavior, each time she returned from the breeders and whelping. We tried doing what was right for our dog after our Vet suggested that she not be bred anymore. We are being told that that a 5 year old golden retriever, having had 2 surgeries and 3 pregnancies is worth upwards of $10,000. I need someone that will either verify or contest those numbers. Are you a breeder??? What would you pay for a female intact bitch for breeding under those circumstances? I really didn't want to end up here but it was just never ending and we had to do something. Thanks in advance!
 

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Wow. I feel for you. Breeding any dog every single heat until her 7th birthday does not sound like something I would feel comfortable putting my dog through either. Maybe some more experienced members who are breeders can offer some insight.
 

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my .02-
no good breeder would buy a bitch just for breeding, who has already whelped 3 litters,
and had 2 sections (I am guessing ) and no breeder who sells a bitch on the terms you bought your girl on is a good breeder, either.
I'm not belittling your dog-
litters DO change girls. If that breeder has had 3 litters out of her, that is enough. For a normal decent breeder 3 litters is enough period. I'm so sorry you're in this position and I think (depending on your contract) you would win a court case in my non-lawyer mindset. $10k- they have already made far more off this bitch than that, and if they are asking $10k from you to not have her bred again, I believe if she were mine I would do something totally wrong re: her reproductive ability.. this is your pet. She's not their cash cow.
 

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Hello all,
Vet suggested that she not be bred anymore. We are being told that that a 5 year old golden retriever, having had 2 surgeries and 3 pregnancies is worth upwards of $10,000. I need someone that will either verify or contest those numbers. Are you a breeder??? What would you pay for a female intact bitch for breeding under those circumstances? I really didn't want to end up here but it was just never ending and we had to do something. Thanks in advance!
To your question, she is worth what someone would pay for her.
If puppies are $2500 (not suggesting they are worth that, but just an average) and she had litters of 8, you can see with no costs (because I assume these are breeders who have their own stud dog too) there is money to be made. I'm assuming she is not titled and she has no clearances or inadequate clearances.
If an unethical person were planning to make puppies, and get two or three more litters out of her, they'd probably pay that much. Should they pay that much? No. But I'm sure your breeder can get a friend to make such an offer.

Get out your contract and read it. There may be a veterinary exception and you already have a veterinary rec to not breed her again.
 

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You have a signed contract.

Should this go to court, the ethics of the breeding or best needs of your dog will not be the first concern. The written and signed contract will be the answer to the legal questions.

What are the terms of your contract? You have it in writing. You say she changed those terms. Did you sign the new terms? If not, she has no right to change them without your consent, any more than you do without hers.

What are the clauses that address the health of your dog or inability to produce? What are the clauses that speak about veterinary care and authorized or prohibited actions?

As much as I appreciate the complexity of your situation and the feelings you have for your girl, this is a legal matter and comes down to the terms of your signed contract.

The person on the other end of this contract does not sound like a reputable breeder to me. It would appear that they are trying to scare you into a set of decisions that are outside of your comfort zone and that you find would be to the harm of your girl. They seem to be acting based on financial gain alone and not based on the best interest of the dog. You may find that a letter from your lawyer is a tactic that would push back, especially if your lawyer can show that your contract supports your position.

Good luck.
 

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I agree with everything above, but would also add to be careful with ANY communication you have with the breeder. It is my experience in business, and in life, that you are better served to involve an attorney earlier rather then later if your going to have to. She could spend $10,000 pretty quickly if you involve a lawyer, and indicate you are willing to fight as long as you have too. You could also spend a lot of money quickly, but if your emotionally invested you are normally willing to spend more. It does not sound to me like she is emotionally invested, but is in it to make money.

You may be able to back her off with a well written letter from your lawyer for minimal expense.
 

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Thank you everyone. Trying to find a lawyer to deal with dogs is nearly impossible.

You said you signed a contract but then the breeder kept changing the terms over and over. Did you re-sign the contract every time she changed it? If not, the first version of the contract stands. What were the terms of co-ownership?


It's not as much animal law as contract law, from my uneducated viewpoint. Yes, the wellbeing of your dog is definitely in question, but the legal part is over the contract (I think?).
 

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I agree with everything above, but would also add to be careful with ANY communication you have with the breeder. It is my experience in business, and in life, that you are better served to involve an attorney earlier rather then later if your going to have to. She could spend $10,000 pretty quickly if you involve a lawyer, and indicate you are willing to fight as long as you have too. You could also spend a lot of money quickly, but if your emotionally invested you are normally willing to spend more. It does not sound to me like she is emotionally invested, but is in it to make money.

You may be able to back her off with a well written letter from your lawyer for minimal expense.
I would add and say BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU SAY HERE. Anything said here can be found by your breeders lawyers and used against you. If I were you, I would say nothing else in this or any other forum at this point. Without knowing, you could be making the breeders case stronger by inadvertently admitting something you're not even realizing
 

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you need a contract lawyer- it doesn't matter at all if they have mice or dogs or no pet knowledge at all. A contract is a binding agreement, and if you didn't re-sign all the changes, you are only bound by the one you did sign. Find a contract lawyer. HOWEVER- if you have plenty of $$ - there ARE dog lawyers. Several of them advertise in Canine Chronicle, and there is one in Miami.
You might do a google search AKC DOG LAWYER. And it doesn't matter if they are where you are- a contract is a contract.
 

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Robin - what if somebody signed a contract that did not state the number of times a dog may be bred prior to the breeder signing off? This includes a possibility that the breeder is listed as the owner of the dog right now????

I think it's sick that the breeder is chasing the owners for 10K, but am thinking about another case out there where somebody was suing a co-owner for 40K+ if not more.

I think it's a huge reason that people should avoid getting into arrangements with breeders where they are viewed as "guardian" homes. Unless they know the breeder and the breeder's track record has shown them to be very considerate of the dog's welfare.
 

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Don't know but I do think that signing such an open ended thing is nuts.
And also have heard of courts making contracts that are unbalanced void.
 

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Hello everyone,
Thank you for your replies...I am covered with the court part as I have plenty of legal professionals in my family. I have not said anything on this thread that could really be used against me as it has all already been stated. The reason for this post was to try and get in contact with a breeder who I could possibly testify as to the value of a breeding bitch. That is all. I am still looking for that if anyone is interested. This woman is the definition of a narcissist and I just want to prove my case and hopefully find a breeder who is willing to testify based on their true experience and knowledge not fabricated lies. Thank you!
 

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that's the issue- to the great majority of breeders who do things in a generally acceptable fashion, a bitch who has had 3 litters is worth pet-puppy price at most probably unless she is also highly titled.. which this one isn't... she is your pet.
It sounds like she wants you to buy her out of the agreement. She's gotten 3 litters out of her. That's enough!

A young bitch who's proven w one litter under her best and naturally whelped easily would be worth that much. Your bitch w 2 c-sections and 3 litters? no.
At least not to me... she'd be worth max $3k but I'd expect the seller to spay and recover her.
 

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It's a contract issue as others have said. One party cannot unilaterally change the terms of a contract. Was there a liquidation clause? Were damages outlined in the original terms that you both signed? Was there an arbitration or mediation clause?

You need a contracts lawyer. Although it would be great if he/she were familiar with dog-related issues, the underlying contract terms are what will govern.
 
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