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Hi Everyone!
I am wondering if anyone has heard positive or negative references for a kennel in Hampden, Maine called "Goldenridge Kennels." I am interested in a spring breeding between Hampdengoldenridge Porsche and "Thunderridge" but the more I read, the more careful I want to be to make sure the kennel is reputable. Just looking for an non-bias referrals...thanks!
 

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Oohhhh, Liberty,ME...please post. If you want to get a golden retriever with all four clearances as recommended by the GRCA, including current (within one year) eye clearances, this is not the breeder for you. In the past, they have bred litters from underage bitches, as well as sires and dams that do not have all four clearances. So if you are interested in a litter from this breeder, get the names of the parents and go on Orthopedic Foundation for Animals, if they are on the website, using their registered names, you should be able to find them. And it is not simply enough that the parents have clearances, there should be at least five generations of clearances behind the parents.
 

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Thanks for the info, that is what I was affraid of...

I really am interested in a dark/reddish golden and can't seem to find them anywhere. Should have known this kennel was too good to be true!!
 

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Not members of the national breed club or any statewide clubs of any sort (breed obedience agility hunting ... nada
Dont follow breeders Code Of Ethics
Clearances are often missing...
Underage breeding is common...
They do nothing with their dogs....nothing to verify conformation, train-ability or natural working desire
Then there is the whole marketing puppies based on color
Then the whole "American Standard Golden Retrievers" "British Cream" / "Euro Cream" marketing chatter...
Biggest brag is that some of their puppies have been on the LL Bean catalog..

Because you asked for unbiased...
Im will keep my personal observations (having seen her breed stock and plenty of puppies) from said breedings out of my comments...
I will keep my personal opinions about their contract out of my comments
I will keep my personal opinions about their guardian homes out of my comments

Must say their webpage has morphed more and more over the years to hit all the talking points and it looks neater then it has in the past....but please dont let the website of any breeder sway you. Look for and gather facts. If the facts are not in a verifiable public database then IMHO you owe it to yourself to request copies before signing a contract or sending any money.


PLEASE read through the links below...they are good helpful guidelines that have been thoughtfully written for puppy buyers just like yourself.

Code of Ethics
Golden Retriever Club of America - All About Goldens

How Can I find a Good breeder:
http://www.grca.org/pdf/all_about/PuppyQuestionsFlyer_Rev2.pdf

Choosing a reputable breeder:
Golden Retriever Club of America - All About Goldens

Choosing a puppy:
Golden Retriever Club of America - All About Goldens

Health Concerns
Golden Retriever Club of America - All About Goldens
 

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Check Colonial Goldens, they are in Maine, and they have a lovely dark male "beamer". She does all the clearances and competes with her dogs. I know color can be a nice thing to want, but its not worth sacrificing health or temperament for.

Colonial Goldens

Its good to contact the breeder even if their site doesn't say something specific, because great breeders don't need to advertise and often have a litter spoken for before its bred, and never even need to announce it on their website.
 

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Goldenridge Kennels- Unprofessional, Unorganized, Not Recommended

I recently spent almost a year on waiting lists for a dog from Goldenridge Kennels in Maine. It was the worst experience ever. My other dogs we adopted, so spending a lot of money using a breeder was new for us. I wish we would have read this forum first-we didn't know a lot about clearances/certifications, so to the average person it looked good at first glance and they talked up their bloodlines.

What we found was a complete lack of communication and professionalism. The first 2 dogs didn't take, not a big deal-that's Mother Nature, but they didn't tell us this until after the due date and I had to inquire a week after to find this out. So here we were buying a collar the week the pups were due, and the dog wasn't even pregnant. We asked for our deposit back, they said no. We got on 3 more lists, waited months... Again, no communication/updates unless I inquired. Watched FB posts of our #2 dog give birth, emailed asking what happens next and the status of dog #1, they emailed back saying they'd update us as things progress. It came to one week before puppy pick out for #2, still hadn't heard anything and I emailed to check in on dog #1 and #2- all of a sudden we were no longer on dog #2 list, and I had emails to confirm we were. They repeatedly ignored our inquiry on dog #1. They refused that we were on dog #2's list, but they had previously confirmed it in writing several times-it was indisputable. After emailing them our frustrations in a diplomatic way and forwarding the emails confirming our spot on the list, the breeder called us and was very rude, snarky, and extremely unprofessional. Found out our #1 dog had been bred by two studs, because the original stud didn't get along with the female (both reds). So they used a "euro" stud as well as original red stud, and would now have to do DNA tests at $150 a test for parents and puppies and instead of relaying this to us, they ignored us because they didn't think we'd like the answer. They told us we were difficult to deal with from the start, when all we had been was patient. They tried to argue the reason they ignored our inquiries was because I "was so set on a red golden, when most of their customers would be happy with any of their dogs..." implying I was being difficult because I only wanted a red golden. I'm sorry, if I am going to pay $1,600 for a dog-it's going to be the one I want, and we were not interested in the euros. We want a red field golden. They wound up hanging up on us. But it was no surprise, because they called looking for a fight. They sent an email 15 minutes later, confirming they were sending a refund and they were taking us off the two lists we discussed, then they proceeded to name a dog whose list we had never been on! They were still confusing the lists we were on after the fact. It is my opinion they have too many dogs and puppies going at once that they can't keep track. One of their recent FB posts said at one time they had 18 adult dogs and 54 puppies on site. That sounds like a lot.

I wish I could warn more people. I'm so exhausted from the emotional roller coster we went on, it's tainted the whole experience for us. I'm sure some people are very happy because they got a puppy without incident, and nothing makes you happy like the love of a dog, but for us it was a nightmare.
 

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I have sold my Ch sired and titled mom pups for $1000. Not only,, we have more than five generations of clearances. Good to walk away..
 
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Hi

I have had a wonderful experience with Roxanne from Golden Ridge. She is a little disorganized - but she will show all clearances if you ask.

What she is very good at is breeding dogs with very little inbreeding. If you are a believer of the literature - dogs should be bred with a coefficient of inbreeding less than six percent. This results in dogs that live longer.

Roxanne spends the time and money to get Goldens from Europe . She breeds these European dogs to Americans . This is a wonderful way to get a great dog with low inbreeding . The literature says these dogs should live longer. The disadvantage is that they may not do as well in a show- but most of us don't show our dogs. I just want a member of the family who is going to be healthy and live a long time

I'm not sure why so many breeders are still breeding Goldens with a coefficient of inbreeding higher than six percent ?

Does anyone know why there is still so much inbreeding ?
 

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COI is the likelihood that any given allele will be directly inherited from any particular dog who has a % in the list of top contributors to the COI total.
If you want a Golden that looks like a Golden, one w/ a COI of 0-5 isn't going to predictably have breed type. It is a balancing act to manage COI, and complete outcrosses are unpredictable. To do that, you've got to be pretty certain of the dogs you are adding to your top contributors, since not only will a breeder be adding in the great of a dog but also his/her not so great. That takes lots of research and personal knowledge you can't get sitting home randomly breeding dogs based on a low COI. Just the simple fact of a dog being imported (*and you can bet if MR Import Studly was so great, he'd still be w/his breeder*) isn't a good reason to do a breeding and the willynilly method of relying on COI only is foolhardy. Do you really believe that these European breeders are going to ship away to the US their best stock? No. Because we have a market here for any and every import's get they can pawn them off on US puppy people as somehow superior by virtue of some byb's sales tactics. This sort of breeder imports stud dogs and then uses them on all their girls, w/no idea what they are creating besides a low COI. See a HUGE redlight with this sales pitch!

edit- took a minute to go to OFA and check Bentley's clearances- no elbows- tells me he didn't pass them. No one does hips without elbows. And his eyes are out of date, and no cardiac clearance. Mama's full name isn't on the site, so that makes it hard to check her clearances. But he has 3 half sibs who are missing hip clearances, yet have elbows- no one does elbows without doing hips!- and a full sibling missing elbows while possessing hip clearance. Sadly, those dogs also are out there making puppies- on the basis of having been imported- without even the most basic of clearances. Sad, sad that there are so many people buying into the import sired thing. It hurts the breed we all love.
 

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Hi

I have had a wonderful experience with Roxanne from Golden Ridge. She is a little disorganized - but she will show all clearances if you ask.

What she is very good at is breeding dogs with very little inbreeding. If you are a believer of the literature - dogs should be bred with a coefficient of inbreeding less than six percent. This results in dogs that live longer.

Roxanne spends the time and money to get Goldens from Europe . She breeds these European dogs to Americans . This is a wonderful way to get a great dog with low inbreeding . The literature says these dogs should live longer. The disadvantage is that they may not do as well in a show- but most of us don't show our dogs. I just want a member of the family who is going to be healthy and live a long time

I'm not sure why so many breeders are still breeding Goldens with a coefficient of inbreeding higher than six percent ?

Does anyone know why there is still so much inbreeding ?
What literature are you referring to?


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...but most of us don't show our dogs. I just want a member of the family who is going to be healthy and live a long time...
You are correct, most people do not show their dogs. However most of us do want our dogs to be healthy. Spending a large sum of money on a puppy from a breeder who doesn't obtain proper clearances is NOT the best way to give yourself the best chance at having a healthy Golden Retriever.

You have been totally snowed by someone who is not adhering to a code of ethics if you really believe that spending time and money getting dogs in Europe has anything to do with a healthier puppy. Please go to GRCA.org and read the Code of Ethics and information on the importance of health clearances. Go back to your breeder and ask her why she doesn't follow the recommended breeding practices of the national club. Then come back here and someone will discuss COI with you.
 

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So much bitterness about inbreeding - c'mon , this is a friendly discussion

I'm just a Dad getting a dog for me and my family

It just seems like it is a trade- off . I either am trusting someone who says they have all clearances (even if they are documented online I am not 100% sure I can trust them- as a doctor I see other Docs "clearing" athletes all the time). Or I am getting a dog with a significant amount of inbreeding that may be good to make a dog meet a strict standard-but can't be good for long term health.
 

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I have had a wonderful experience with Roxanne from Golden Ridge. She is a little disorganized - but she will show all clearances if you ask.



What she is very good at is breeding dogs with very little inbreeding. If you are a believer of the literature - dogs should be bred with a coefficient of inbreeding less than six percent. This results in dogs that live longer.



Roxanne spends the time and money to get Goldens from Europe . She breeds these European dogs to Americans . This is a wonderful way to get a great dog with low inbreeding . The literature says these dogs should live longer. The disadvantage is that they may not do as well in a show- but most of us don't show our dogs. I just want a member of the family who is going to be healthy and live a long time



I'm not sure why so many breeders are still breeding Goldens with a coefficient of inbreeding higher than six percent ?



Does anyone know why there is still so much inbreeding ?

Welcome to the forum! I see these are your first posts and you joined a couple of hours ago. Was kind of waiting for a brand new member to join and defend a breeder who there is controversy over, but educational opportunities should be available to all interested parties , right? It's interesting that you have looked into inbreeding to an extent , but have not focused your research on the importance of clearances and competition? Please stick around the site if you'd like to learn more about why clearances and competition are so important.


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Just our of curiousity what are you a doctor of?
 
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To say you can't get clearances and low COI is bunk. Sounds like marketing BS by a Greeder that is trying to sell their dogs for a lot of money without any basis other than they got a European reject shipped over. Hate that!

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So much bitterness about inbreeding - c'mon , this is a friendly discussion

I'm just a Dad getting a dog for me and my family

It just seems like it is a trade- off . I either am trusting someone who says they have all clearances (even if they are documented online I am not 100% sure I can trust them- as a doctor I see other Docs "clearing" athletes all the time). Or I am getting a dog with a significant amount of inbreeding that may be good to make a dog meet a strict standard-but can't be good for long term health.
I don't personally have a problem w/a higher than 6 and less than 15 COI. It seems ideal to me. But I know all the dogs behind the pedigrees and am reasonably sure I know what I am getting along with those sperm! What I can get bitter about is people selling a load of crap to unsuspecting others who are relying on transparency and knowledge on the part of the breeder- without a full understanding of what they are being sold. And as well, breeding dogs without clearances. There are so many stud dogs in this country that a breeder with a bitch who has her clearances can choose from. Why in the world would someone repeatedly breed a dog who almost certainly didn't pass elbows to all their girls, when he is not the best thing that could be used on them? Especially when he has a documented sibling history of failing clearances?
As to trusting the clearances- it is a prudent thing to be sure each and every one of them says VPI on the end of it. That means the vet verified the dog's chip or tat, and he is who he was purported to be when he was brought to be examined. Most heart and eye clearances are done at dog shows by Board Cert specialists- and those vets no way no how would lie. They have no interest in doing so (though I can see how a team doc would have an interest so understand your skepticism). And for the hips and elbows, the film is ID'd w/ dog and owner names, AKC # , chip # and then submitted to a rotating panel of three other ortho specialists by OFA. OFA doesn't release the names of their panel, they change them on a schedule that isn't published and also have nothing to gain and everything to lose in falsifying info on the www.offa.org site. Don't count on k9data to be as black and white-it's user input so yes, there is misinformation there. Always verify what you see on k9data by going to OFA or CERF.

When you choose a Golden, I presume you are choosing a dog based on the breed type you like, which is the breed standard- and also on the reputation of the temperament and those are what makes a Golden a Golden.
It crawls all over me when people are cranking out 5-6 litters a year, not doing a single thing with them but breeding, and they don't even have a history of any knowledge on any competition in any venue, yet claim they are achieving a betterment of the breed. I have more tolerance for the suburban family who has a litter or two with the neighbor's dog, after being sure that their dogs pass clearances. At least those people aren't setting out to deceive.
 
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