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Hello, this is my first time on this site and I hope this post is acceptable in the Golden Retriever forum site. I'm interested in connecting with reputable Goldador breeders, preferably in or near Colorado. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
 

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Everyone here loves them all but not sure what you mean by reputable breeder. NO reputable breeder is going to mix a lab & golden (or any other breeds)! Check at the rescues or your local kill shelter. Reputable breeders breed pure bred dogs, they do all the clearances suggested by the breed club. So save a life :)
 

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Why not just get a purebred lab, or a purebred golden???

I know that golden/lab crosses are very popular in certain service dog organizations. Perhaps you could reach out to a few organizations and see if they have any type of adoption programs for dogs who don't don't meet the criteria for service dog work.
 

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I appreciate your concern

Your beloved golden retriever originated in the early 19th century, developed after a long line of breeding from the Newfoundland, Tweed water spaniels and the Irish setter. AKC didn't recognize the golden retriever until 1925. So if social media was around prior to 1925, you'd probably all be labeled heretics for owning a mutt...go back in a time machine "puddles everywhere" and listen to the dog owners in the early 1900's: "No reputable breeder will mix a water spaniel and Irish Setter!"

The "Goldador," It is a purposeful breed that combines the best characteristics of the Golden Retriever and the Labrador Retriever. Who knows, when the Goldador becomes more popular, maybe AKC will recognize the breed.
 

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Your beloved golden retriever originated in the early 19th century, developed after a long line of breeding from the Newfoundland, Tweed water spaniels and the Irish setter. AKC didn't recognize the golden retriever until 1925. So if social media was around prior to 1925, you'd probably all be labeled heretics for owning a mutt...go back in a time machine "puddles everywhere" and listen to the dog owners in the early 1900's: "No reputable breeder will mix a water spaniel and Irish Setter!"

The "Goldador," It is a purposeful breed that combines the best characteristics of the Golden Retriever and the Labrador Retriever. Who knows, when the Goldador becomes more popular, maybe AKC will recognize the breed.
I have several friends who had lab/golden crosses and loved them. They were amazing dogs. Two of these dogs came from backyard breeders who's female lab and male golden were intact and had a litter of puppies. No health testing, no thought put behind it.

Family friends bought two of these puppies. One looked like a golden, one looked like a lab, both were great dogs, no one would deny that this cross can produce great dogs. The point that forum members are trying to make is that currently, right now, as it stands, this is not a recognized breed. It is a mix. It will be difficult for you to find a breeder who abides by the code of ethics for BOTH breeds when they produce puppies. AKA a reputable breeder.

On the other hand, I have a friend who has two lab/golden crosses, a male and a female. They were adopted through a service dog organization after they flunked out of the program. The male was too energetic, the female was too anxious to perform the service work they were in training for. They were each adopted at about 5-6 months, so definitely still a puppy. It would be your safest bet, if you are looking for this mix, to reach out to an organization like this. That way you can stack your odds at getting a dog who was bred with health, temperament and longevity in mind.


Attached are photos of the backyard bred dogs. Same parents. Mom lab, dad golden.
 

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Your beloved golden retriever originated in the early 19th century, developed after a long line of breeding from the Newfoundland, Tweed water spaniels and the Irish setter. AKC didn't recognize the golden retriever until 1925. So if social media was around prior to 1925, you'd probably all be labeled heretics for owning a mutt...go back in a time machine "puddles everywhere" and listen to the dog owners in the early 1900's: "No reputable breeder will mix a water spaniel and Irish Setter!"

The "Goldador," It is a purposeful breed that combines the best characteristics of the Golden Retriever and the Labrador Retriever. Who knows, when the Goldador becomes more popular, maybe AKC will recognize the breed.
The breed IS beloved. And no breed popped onto the earth without breeding selectively..
however, the key word is 'selective' in that sentence.
Tweedmouth had a plan, he kept records, he culled when needed, and he was able to develop a breed. The "Gold"mixers, they do none of that, they are just making money. AKC will never register this mix.
 

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The "Goldador," It is a purposeful breed that combines the best characteristics of the Golden Retriever and the Labrador Retriever. .
The best characteristics of a golden retriever - happens in a well-bred golden retriever. You will not find it in a mutt. You will find nice dogs in mutts, but it's not the same thing as having a well bred dog.

A well bred dog is - like I told my puppy's breeder the other day... it's everything you expect to find in the breed. My puppy is everything a golden retriever should be. This doesn't happen just by breeding a purebred dog to a purebred dog. There are really crappy purebred dogs out there - with terrible temperaments, poor structure, ugly as sin (LOL) and so on.

Even with a good breeder... you still have them searching litter after litter for that top dog and they are not 100% good at finding the puzzle pieces for breeding good quality dogs litter after litter. Every litter they produce might end up being mediocre quality. And these are people who keep choosing puppies with the biggest heads or best toplines or whatever other thing they are searching for in what they breed - and I swear by the time the dogs are 2-3 years old, they fall apart for one reason or another. One breeder I know (and have huge respect for!) has placed a lot of dogs after a while when they do not turn out the way she hopes - and it's not anything to do with clearances... boys especially. I've seen xrays posted with her dogs and I swear that's where she has consistency. But she's not just breeding dogs because they have clearances.

Flipside of that - I train with somebody who is a golden retriever breeder. She actually has talked about retiring, but because she's one of very few obedience type breeders who breed for looks in addition to working drive, there's a lot of people who won't let her retire. She shared that when she started out, she raised at least 5 golden bitches who failed clearances and could not be bred. It took a long time before she solved her hip and elbow problems. In fact with some people and/or reasons why they keep breeding certain lines with other problems is because those lines have been so consistent at producing clearances. It's very hard for people to let that go while introducing something else in what they breed. Especially if breeding to something else means unknowns as far as temperament and working drive.

Bad breeders out there - and the ones who are supplying all the "purebred" dogs for these designer mutts... they are not doing any of that selective breeding! You are not even talking clearances. You are talking about people breeding dogs who are very very poor quality and should not be bred. That's what's behind these mutts out there. And you can't even rely on people being selective just looking at the dogs because a lot of people out there do not have good eyes for structure or anything.

People who have a preference for more labby type dogs - may need to look into the labrador retriever breed better. They have major splits and divisions in the breed. And sometimes when you have somebody who wants a dog that has more golden retriever type things about it, they are looking for something more like a show lab.

There's a lab girlie who was in all of the same puppy, regular, and competition classes as my Jacks and she's still thriving very well and going for her utility title (top obedience title). Show line girl - and this means she's a lot more compact and mellow than field lines.

Field lines - some of them - are huge dogs. And even more concerning with the breed is other divisions exist, including dogs who are backyard bred and frequently end up in shelters because they are either aggressive or simply keep going stray on their owners.

Aggression is a big problem with labs - because they are very widely bred. And you have some very bad characters out there who are breeding labs just because they are intact. Or the dogs run around and get pregnant with mystery mixes (in some cases you don't know whether or not there is something else in there, and if they look purebred - that's what they are pitched as by breeders who have no reason to worry about papers or pedigrees.

The types of dogs referenced above as far as being part of service dog breeding programs, these are nicely bred dogs. They have to be. There's a lot of money put into training them for people with needs. They have to have clearances. They have to have sound temperaments. Any sign of shyness, fearfulness, etc... and they will flunk out of the programs.

I have another friend with show lines who is primarily breeding for service dog organizations. And these are not producing mixed breed dogs. She is breeding and producing purebred labs for service dog organizations. And she's elderly with knee and back problems herself, so that tells you a lot about how mellow and gentle her dogs are.

Also there seems to be a lot of posts lately with more than one person repeating lines about Tweedmouth producing the golden retriever breed.

First, Tweedmouth was not here in the US and was not breeding dogs for AKC. And he lived in a different time when things were done while establishing breeds.... which was OK at the time, but not today! Especially not today while we have people who jump through hoops to put a logo on every kind of mutt imagined under the sun.

People today, especially young and impulsive wired people, do not actually understand what all needs to be done before a breed is recognized as a purebred breed.

It's not a process that relies on entrepreneurs coming up with a catchy name and do a reasonably good job at producing good looking mutts for sale. Which by the way works on people who do not know any better. You would be surprised at how many people have no clue what the difference is between a golden retriever and any other breed. A lot of people today grew up without owning an AKC breed book. This despite being longtime dog owners. What this means is you have a lot of people who will look at a dog and see a dog, but they don't know anything about the breeds or what makes one breed different from the next. That's visual and knowing anything about breed purpose, breed traits, breed standards.

Right now, there's a lot of rescue groups out there who discovered that people are more likely to adopt a mixed breed if you give it a catch breed name and again it works very well on people who balk about buying a dog from a rescue who is a poodle mix... but they will fight it out to purchase a rescue dog who is a labradoodle. Labradoodles are poodle mixes - but the marketing works very well on people.

Breeders looking to produce puppies for sale and up market them (as opposed to what they themselves paid for the parents) - they are all over that same marketing scheme. It allows people to produce any kind of mutt, they don't have to be pretty, but they can charge more because people think they are more valuable - based on marketing.

Who knows, when the Goldador becomes more popular, maybe AKC will recognize the breed
This is not how AKC works when letting in new breeds. They don't care about popularity of the breed. What matters is careful breeding and careful bookkeeping. It takes many generations of dogs breeding true before they are recognized as a breed.

Personally speaking - because there is so much chaos right now with the ignorant, impulsive, and ambitious either jumping into breeding dogs as a quick and easy way to make money or purchasing dogs that are thought to be valuable.... AKC needs to support the breed clubs and do something to educate dog owners out there who are fueling the terrible things which those breeders are doing. You have very reckless and careless breeding being done and advocated. There's no sense or reason behind some of the breeding other than somebody has an intact dog and will put that dog with a likewise intact dog, because whatever puppies they spawn will sell well.
 

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Thought I'd share for fun... :)

The attached shows actual breeds which currently do not have full registration with AKC. I believe the way it works is if you own one of these breeds - they are only allowed to show in Misc classes (if they've gotten that far) or they are limited to companion events (obedience and agility).

These are not "new" breeds that have recently been created in the past 20-50 years. Some of these are ancient breeds that go back hundreds of years. It takes a bit of work getting into AKC - and this includes having active clubs in the US with many active members and a good sized population of purebred dogs in the AKC.

Basically my point is with many mixed breeds out there who have a big following from pet people there isn't a shortcut route to them suddenly becoming show dogs - despite what people think. And when you hear about AKC introducing new breeds every year or whatever - these are not mixed breeds with a short breeding history (less than 100 years) behind them.

Hovawarts have been mentioned here on this forum before. They are not an AKC breed. You can't go to a dog show and see them there. Major reason why is they are very rare here in the US.

French spaniels and Tatras are breeds I'm familiar with (I used to pour over breed books when I was a kid and these were breeds I always said I would get some day LOL). Neither of these breeds are in the AKC.

Cuvacs were brought up by a member here - and I'm not 100% sure if they are the same thing as Tatras or not? Cuvacs are supposedly closely related to Kuvaszs, but I know Tatras are not.
 

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I have several friends who had lab/golden crosses and loved them. They were amazing dogs. Two of these dogs came from backyard breeders who's female lab and male golden were intact and had a litter of puppies. No health testing, no thought put behind it.

Family friends bought two of these puppies. One looked like a golden, one looked like a lab, both were great dogs, no one would deny that this cross can produce great dogs. The point that forum members are trying to make is that currently, right now, as it stands, this is not a recognized breed. It is a mix. It will be difficult for you to find a breeder who abides by the code of ethics for BOTH breeds when they produce puppies. AKA a reputable breeder.

On the other hand, I have a friend who has two lab/golden crosses, a male and a female. They were adopted through a service dog organization after they flunked out of the program. The male was too energetic, the female was too anxious to perform the service work they were in training for. They were each adopted at about 5-6 months, so definitely still a puppy. It would be your safest bet, if you are looking for this mix, to reach out to an organization like this. That way you can stack your odds at getting a dog who was bred with health, temperament and longevity in mind.


Attached are photos of the backyard bred dogs. Same parents. Mom lab, dad golden.
Thanks for posting as it is amazing how different these dogs look. I think they are both great looking dogs too.

In general, I get how it seems like a great idea to cross two breeds to get the best characteristics of both. However, many experienced breeders on this site and others make the point that you don’t get to choose to only pass on the positive traits. Examples are labradoodles that shed yet also have the uptight personality exhibited by poodles, etc.
 

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If you want a LGX (that's what the service dog organization I volunteer with calls a Lab x Golden cross), I have to echo the sentiments that a released LGX from a service dog organization is your best bet. Health testing will have been done for generations. The parents will also have been selected for breeding based on their temperaments and ease of training. A dog that is cut from a service dog program and adopted out will most likely make a wonderful pet.
 
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