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For Those People Who Think Black Golden Retrievers Are a Thing, Even Though They're Not

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This is a terrific post by Guide Dogs for the Blind. It's a must read by those folks who think black Golden Retrievers are a thing. They are a Lab-Golden cross and the post does a great job explaining the genetics. While deliberately producing a cross would be unethical for the purpose of selling puppies, in this instance, there is a long genetic history and study of the benefits LGXs produce in the service world. These puppies are never for sale.

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I know I sound stupid here but initially when I read your post title I thought of flat coated retrievers 🤦🏽‍♀️ also because I have seen one in our neighborhood and the French always describe them as black golden retrievers physically if people don't understand the breed.

Regardless, thanks for the article - was very eye opening and good luck to Neutrino 😊
 

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I got in an internet fight with someone one time who tried to convince their black dog was a black golden retriever before finally admitting that they lied and he was a lab mix 😮‍💨

Wow that's insane!! But then some people also told me my golden is a lab because he doesn't look like a golden retriever called Tucker. I had to check who Tucker was... He has some YouTube videos? Do you all know this golden retriever? He lives in the US... Clearly I'm not very educated... My golden definitely doesn't look like him...

@GoldenDude I think I could make the mistake of thinking they were flat coated. But I haven't seen a flat coated puppy in real life either. But what you mention is true...
 

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Yeah...we know Tucker.

Flat coats don't look that golden retriever-ish to me, the heads are different. Great dogs, I'd have one except I think they might be even more prone to early demise than goldens are.
Wow clearly I live in a cave 🤦🏽‍♀️ I didn't know of Tucker until now. Is he supposed to be some sort of gold standard for Goldens - in the US? This person was telling me that... Obviously, my golden doesn't look like him but I still think he's not or shouldn't be confused for a Labrador (no offense to labradors)! 😮‍💨

That's true but I think so many here (in France) aren't exposed to flat coated retrievers so I think it's just a lay man's term to describe them - it's not an official thing (sorry if I misled anyone). Oh that's terrible to know that they have an even shorter lifespan 😕
 

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I'm not the best one to explain this but I read (here) that he didn't come from an ideal breeding situation and I haven't done a deep dive into it personally.
Thanks for taking the time to answer me. It's just this is the first time I heard of this golden. Seems everyone really knows about him - the fame and perhaps in this forum the not so good.
 

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Tucker is YouTube famous basically. He has a large following there, and of course he is the star of the show, so the general public wants a carbon copy of him. Now if you search this forum for conversations about him, or talk to Golden Retriever people, as opposed to pet people who think they want a Golden, you will get a different viewpoint. For instance, he was probably only bred because of his internet fame. I don't think he has any competitive AKC titles either.
I will admit I didn't watch all the videos 😬 I only saw one or two videos to see what he looks like (since random person kept insisting my golden is a lab 🤦🏽‍♀️). I don't know if he's famous in France or not. I feel that our responsible and ethically bred Goldens here with the exception of very few do not have the darker coloured coats (because of breed standards here).. I had no idea he probably had no titles or anything like that 😕 That's terribly disappointing if true. 🤦🏽‍♀️
 

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I'm not sure what your dog looks like, but Tucker isn't a dark colored dog. Tucker is a medium gold, on his papers he'd be listed as just gold. (There are 3 choices, light gold, gold, dark gold) I'm sure you've seen this photo before, he'd be something between the 3rd and 4th from the left dogs. Probably closer to the 4th dog. (Unless he's changed a lot since I last saw one of his videos) View attachment 897906
Yes I have seen the pic before.. but it looks like compared to my golden perhaps Tucker is darker. My golden is not the lightest I have seen though among the ethical breeders here...

I believe a member here from the UK commented that the ethical breeders in Europe are following the British standards.. And the Goldens seem lighter though in our part of the world - just as an observation (Crufts winners etc)... Everything could look different though with lighting, angles etc..

I also watched two random videos so I won't say my statement is set in stone.. 😅
 

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Yeah Tucker is darker than your dog, but your dog isn't a light as I was expecting either. You'd have to be nuts to mistake your dog for a labrador.
Oh yes there are lighter ones definitely! I have seen them too and mine then looks darker in comparison 😅

Hahahahah I laughed really hard at your Labrador comment 🤣🤣 but this random person was convinced all Goldens look like Tucker and kept insisting it. Said Ramses is a yellow lab 😁🤦🏽‍♀️
 

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I didn’t realize this thread had gone down the Tucker road. The real truth is that he was bred by someone that is generally not considered to be ethical in the greater Golden world. She DOES do clearances and sometimes titles in UKC, but has a bad history. Tucker himself has all of his clearances and has been shown in UKC, but is not titled in anything. He was not bred because he’s famous, he was bred to make a puppy for his owner and she has said that he will very likely never be bred again. Of course, her mind could change, but unless she’s outright lying (and I don’t think she is on this), Tucker is not being bred en masse to make his breeder a bunch of money. She makes enough just by virtue of being his breeder.

People love him because he’s cute and his owner is really really good at making funny videos. He’s famous worldwide on social media. However, he is absolutely NOT the gold standard of American Goldens. His cute cuddly face is incorrect (per the breed standard) because he’s jowly. He has other conformation faults as well, but there’s really no point discussing that here.

There is actually a ton of variety in the styles of American conformation line Goldens. Shades vary from very dark to very light. Amount of coat and bone varies from breeder to breeder. Heads and expressions vary. Some breeders have such a distinct style that an involved person can tell who bred the dog (or who heavily influenced the breeding) just by looking at it.

I didn't really mean for it to deviate from the original thread of @GoldenDude - sorry about that. Since he was trying to educate on golden + labrador cross as service dogs.. 😬 Said person is actually an American person who's just moved to our community here in France. And said Tucker was "America's gold standard" - I apologize to everyone for repeating this statement.

Because this same person kept insisting that my golden is a Labrador that too really befuddled me.. I have been in this forum and I see so many of your goldens that it struck me odd I have never heard of Tucker. I didn't know of Tucker and I only watched 2 videos only to see what he looks like (physically). I have yet to know if he's famous in France. The actual golden retriever from America that is famous in France (At least where I live) is actually Air Bud from the movies :LOL: I don't know if he had all his clearances and if he was titled.. just the point being that that's what people here think of when you mention you have a Golden retriever

Now look what you all made me do, I actually looked at the Tucker videos ( 2 is all I could take )
he isn't even half as cute as every dog on this forum, not sure what to think about the jowly look.
Just proves that "internet famous" means not much if anything at all :)

The people who dispute your dogs breed, probably got ALL their knowledge from internet too ;)
I thought I was the only one who couldn't watch more - sorry I will never raise this topic again :ROFLMAO: You have to like my yellow lab in this golden retriever forum - he's unique! 🤣🤣
 
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