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Hi Friends,

So i've been feeding my boy twice a day (1.5 cup x 2 daily) Wellness complete health - https://www.wellnesspetfood.com/natural-dog-food/product-catalog/complete-health-lamb-barley

the thing is sometimes in the morning he is not eating properly. im not giving any other food/topper. just this kibbles. So i thought of getting this topper -

https://www.petloverscentre.com/products/steamed-atlantic-salmon-vegetables-hypoallergenic-150g
https://www.petloverscentre.com/products/tender-duck-vegetable-dinner-hypoallergenic-150g

they have different flavors and i normally feed my toy poodle this and when i let my golden try a bit he seems to like it..

my question is, is this a good idea? mixing different flavored topper everyday?

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What do you mean by "not eating properly", are you saying your pup is not eating his food or finishing the food you're giving him?

I am not a fan of adding toppers to entice a pup or dog to eat. I look at them as unnecessary calories.

How old is your pup? You said you are feeding 1.5 cups twice a day, it may be that your pup no longer needs that much food. You can reduce the amount to 1 cup twice a day.
 

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What do you mean by "not eating properly", are you saying your pup is not eating his food or finishing the food you're giving him?

I am not a fan of adding toppers to entice a pup or dog to eat. I look at them as unnecessary calories.

How old is your pup? You said you are feeding 1.5 cups twice a day, it may be that your pup no longer needs that much food. You can reduce the amount to 1 cup twice a day.
Hi, meaning sometimes he is super lazy to finish up his food. he eats but not finishing it up. he is almost 2 years old. what if i give 1/3 of the wet food mixed?

I also agree that i think he no longer needs that much food.. thinking what to do....
 

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Thanks for clarifying......

I have always given my adults a total of two cups of food per day-1 cup at a.m. and 1 cup at p.m. feedings with no toppers or added any wet food.

I have always given fresh fruit or veggies that are in season as occasional treats.
 

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Thanks for clarifying......

I have always given my adults a total of two cups of food per day-1 cup at a.m. and 1 cup at p.m. feedings with no toppers or added any wet food.

I have always given fresh fruit or veggies that are in season as occasional treats.
Would you feed more if the dog was very active ie. agility or field work? or is 2 cups a day adequate?
 

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How much a dog needs depend on his size, activity level, whether intact. etc. Looking at him from above, does he have waist? do his ribs show? Do you know his wt.? What's the recommended range(cups) for his wt.? - on the bag. A lot of Goldens are over weight. If that's what's happened, you may have to change him to another, less calorie- dense food. You want to feed within the recomended amt.s range. And not a small-dog food.

You realize, I hope, that the Wellness brand, like all the other boutique dog foods, is not manufactured & tested according to the WSAVA guidelines, & this one's linked to DCM (9 cases in the FB group devoted to this disease.) Why trust any diet, GF or not, that's not been subject to proper feeding trials? In the blogasphere, Purina is often bad mouthed, but that's definitely not the consensus view of board-certified nutritionists & cardiologists. (Understatement of the year.)

Despite its huge marketshare, Purina has zero cases of dx'd DCM. Wellness is a much much smaller co. Luck of the draw when/if/how many of its cases come to light. .
 

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How much a dog needs depend on his size, activity level, whether intact. etc. Looking at him from above, does he have waist? do his ribs show? Do you know his wt.? What's the recommended range(cups) for his wt.? - on the bag. A lot of Goldens are over weight. If that's what's happened, you may have to change him to another, less calorie- dense food. You want to feed within the recomended amt.s range. And not a small-dog food.

You realize, I hope, that the Wellness brand, like all the other boutique dog foods, is not manufactured & tested according to the WSAVA guidelines, & this one's linked to DCM (9 cases in the FB group devoted to this disease.) Why trust any diet, GF or not, that's not been subject to proper feeding trials? In the blogasphere, Purina is often bad mouthed, but that's definitely not the consensus view of board-certified nutritionists & cardiologists. (Understatement of the year.)

Despite its huge marketshare, Purina has zero cases of dx'd DCM. Wellness is a much much smaller co. Luck of the draw when/if/how many of its cases come to light. .
Hello,

No I cannot see his ribs and all. He is quite fluffy. I believe he is around 30KG now. which is 66lbs. I'm not gonna switch from wellness because he is doing really well and im not feeding him according to their guidelines. im monitoring his weight size and all. So im adjusting here and there. When he was a puppy i gave him wellness core puppy food which had high protein content. However, wellness adult foods protein content is just 24% and I've alredy checked with 2 of our vets and both of them said this nutri level is good. you can read abt this here - https://www.wellnesspetfood.com/natural-dog-food/product-catalog/complete-health-lamb-barley

Crude Protein Not Less Than 24.00%
Crude Fat Not Less Than 12.00%
Crude Fiber Not More Than 4.00%
Moisture Not More Than 10.00%
Calcium Not Less Than 1.50%
Phosphorus Not Less Than 1.00%
Vitamin A Not Less Than 25,000 IU/kg
Vitamin E Not Less Than 200 IU/kg
Omega-6 Fatty Acids* Not Less Than 2.50%
Omega-3 Fatty Acids* Not Less Than 1.00%
Glucosamine* Not Less Than 250 mg/kg
Chondroitin Sulfate* Not Less Than 200 mg/kg
Taurine* Not Less Than 0.09%
Total Lactic Acid Microorganisms* Not Less Than 20,000,000 CFU/lb
 

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If dog is fluffy.... put both hands on body, fingers spread w. thumbs near spine .. is there a thin layer of fat over his ribs? This is a standard check for just right vs. too-fat/ too thin. You are probably rel. new to dogs.

About your intention to stick w. what you are feeding...

I will begin by saying 'phooey!' and 'why gamble?' Are you aware that NONE of the boutique foods including those not (yet) on the FDA list, follow best practice guidelines? That NONE of them run feeding trials? Do you think that this Gold Standard is a joke? More likely you are not familar w. these safeguards or what Specialists say.

As for your two vets...arggh. i suggest THEY join the FB DCM group for professionals in their field & try out their arguments there. It is an offshoot of the oldest (or one of the oldest) online groups devoted to DCM, founded by concerned experts & Golden retriever dog owners, alarmed by the uptick in DCM in 2017. The Golden version was organized well before the FDA first alert came out. It is carefully moderated & fact-based, as are its sister groups. Have a wonderful set of Learning Units to help us understand DCM & related issues. Nothing like it elsewhere. Together they are now ~ 100k in size. Less than 20k when I joined.

GF and exotic/unfamiliar proteins are a fad that's cornered 40% of the market by clever advertising that appeals to OUR naivité and love of new things, things that WE ourselves would eat! Usually in slick packaging, w.a sprinkling of blueberries or some such. Welcome to the new era of the Humanization of Dog Food. (Goes nicely with our weak grasp of evolution). And now that there's an issue w. the Boutique cook-by-the-book approach, many have (naively) added taurine to look good.

DCM is a often silent, sometimes deadly disease, kills 20% of its victims. Please understand what this means. Dogs often show NO sign til it's too late.

Now ... Guess WHICH established dog food co.s have a super-good track record in term of dx'd DCM cases? The *Big Four*, the only ones that are research-oriented. And because together they have a very large marketshare, their track record means they're a safe bet. And the others are risky to feed. They're all boutique co.s,they all have the same disqualifying fault - they do not not follow WSAVA guidelines - a recipe for mistakes for any of the food they produce. Sadly, THAT is exactly what's shown up at FDA.

And for sure, MORE cases to come - the FDA reports represent only the tip of the iceberg. YOUR current brand choice, too -I must tell you - because we have credible DCM reports on it in the big, fact-oriented FB groups described above. If it were a balanced food, case reports for it would be zero.


Good luck.
 

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A very interesting read :https://medium.com/@danielschulof_18279/bad-science-and-big-business-are-behind-the-biggest-pet-food-story-in-a-decade-5cdafae7be77

It is big business...and Purina and Mars are very close to this...something smells.
Use what works for your dog, and is affordable....but no one is going to tell me that a grain based food...is better for their dog than a meat based food.

Every food manufacturer should be required on every bag of food to show how much meat, how many carbs, veggies, etc. is in the food...using a pie chart.
Most people would be surprised to know how little meat their dog is eating.
 

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100% right on...never put ANYTHING past big business..including trying to wipe out anything that is in their way of ever increasing profits..No matter what. Never choose anything by what the herd does.....Study and research is your best weapon. I don't feed grain free, not because of a 500 dog sampling, but because I want to feed my dogs meat based protein. I still add some chicken hearts, gizzards, etc + sardines in water + ground turkey, occasionally to their kibble. ...
Just say NO to Corn!


Is DCM/grain free food a real threat? I will wait and see when the LARGER sampling comes in....not what FB or tiny sampling says. In the mean time, it pays to be wary. I was in Walmart today and if people are avoiding Grain free..one would never know it by their stock in dog foods.(tons of Blue Buffalo in stock)
 

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'To put this issue into proper context, the American Veterinary Medical Association estimates that there are 77 million pet dogs in the United States. As of April 30, 2019, the FDA has received reports about 560 dogs diagnosed with DCM suspected to be linked to diet. Tens of millions of dogs have been eating dog food without developing DCM. If you are concerned about the diet you are currently feeding your dog, FDA recommends working with your veterinarian, who may consult a board-certified veterinary nutritionist, to determine the best diet for your dog's need.'

From the FDA report.

I quit feeding my dogs grain based dog foods over 10 yrs. ago, firmly believing dogs were not 'meant' to pass on at the average of 10 yrs. of age, and that grain does not make for good carnivore food. I needed a food without ('exotic') chicken, without mystery ingredients (animal digest, unnamed meats) without artificial colors, flavors or preservatives, or corn and with meat (the more the better) in it. Found a food that fit the bill, happens to be grain free (Acana) and have fed it ever since, and am absolutely thrilled with how healthy my dogs (3 seniors over 10 and a 1 1/2 yr. old pup) have been on it, the difference it has made for them has been amazing, sticking with it, not changing a thing.
 
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