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Riley was switched from Eukanuba (breeder's food) to Wellness. This was done over a couple of weeks. She had firm poos at first then loose. She was on Wellness (puppy) for probably 1 1/2 months and poos started becoming looser. I gradually switched her to Chicken Soup and got even looser poos. Now, back on Wellness (Lamb, barley and salmon formula) she hasn't firmed up at all. I've tried pumpkin, off and on for the last month. One day she's semi-firm then by the evening she's back to loose again. Should I leave her on the Wellness longer to see if she improves? Or should I try another food? I was thinking of Fromm. By the way she gets 1 1/2 cup kibble twice a day, she also gets a spoonful of plain yogurt in the morning, spoonfull of wet Wellness in the evening and an occasional egg (about twice a week). And she is 5 1/2 months old. I just scooped poop and there were a couple of very runny ones :-(
 

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You might be switching around too much. How was he doing on Euk? Another thing to look at is how much you are feeding. Too much food can cause these problems.
 

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How old is she? Another possibility is that she has coccidia, which is difficult to find in stools and in puppies, will often show up after being stressed (going to a new home, starting a new food, etc.)

Coccidia is very common and requires a different fecal test than either giardia (another possibility) or worms.
 

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You might be switching around too much. How was he doing on Euk? Another thing to look at is how much you are feeding. Too much food can cause these problems.
She was on Wellness from about 11 weeks of age until about 18 or 19 weeks. Chicken Soup (with Wellness mixed in) for only about 2 - 3 weeks and then back on Wellness. She's been on Wellness only for about a week now. We began the switch from Eukanuba at about 9 weeks of age. She was not on it long and (without getting into a food debate) I do not want her back on it.

I should add, on the days she gets the egg I do not give her a scoop of wet. She is being fed the amount the breeder suggested for her age. She was on the slow growth plan and now, at about 5 1/2 months weighs about 37 lbs.
 

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It could very well be the food. Flora had stomach problems for the first like... 8 months I had her, and it ended up being because I was putting her on the fancier foods and they were too rich for her. Solid Gold and Blue Buffalo gave her watery stools; Purina Pro Plan firmed that up immediately. I was so glad to finally be able to give my girl some relief.

Good luck! It's gross, I know.
 

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if he was doing fine on Eukanuba, why not go back to it?

my dog was doing great on pro plan. but reading all the stuff on here about food, i wanted to try some of the "better" foods. i tried a handful of the super premium expensive foods, and they all left him with soft serve poop.

after messing around with pumpkin, and leaving him on various foods for months, i ended up just going back to pro plan, where his poop returned to nice hard ones.
 

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Make sure there are no parasites like coccidia - need more than a stool screening to rule them out.

Three cups of the Wellness Lamb (405 kcal/cup) seems like quite a bit for a 37 lb. dog -perhaps cut back the total daily amount by 1/2 cup.

If there are still problems after ruling out parasites and cutting back the food quantity, maybe barley is an irritant to your dog. Both the Chicken Soup and the Wellness have quite a bit of barley. Through trial and error I know both of my dogs don't do well with it and so avoid it.
 

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She's a little old for the problem to be coccidia.

I will say that one of my Goldens cannot tolerate raw or hard boiled eggs-she gets monumental diarrhea :( She's fine with egg in kibble but just cannot take it otherwise. And another one does not handle dairy foods well-yogurt gives him the runs.

I would try cutting out the extras, including the canned food, and see if that helps. It can take several days for everything to work its way through her system.

Also, if she has always had loose stools, have you tried something like Tylan? It works wonders on diarrhea with no specific cause. I always keep Tylan on hand in my first aid kit, in case someone gets the runs, especially on the road for dog shows.
 

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I agree that you may be switching her food a bit too much. Wellness is one of those foods that dogs either do excellent on or they do horribly on. We tried Wellness for a couple of months when Tucker was a puppy and he constantly had loose stools. It was just too rich for him. I would also get her to the vet just to rule out the possbility of a parasite, such has coccidia. It's very common in puppies. You may also want to consider a food with a little less protein. I'm wondering why you took her off the Eukanuba if she was doing fine on it. It's a perfectly fine food.
 

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I'm one of those people who's wondering if you took her off Eukanuba for philosophical reasons even though she did well and now are subjecting her to "higher quality" foods that aren't agreeing with her in order to satisfy your own sense of dog food philosophy.

If that's not the case, I apologize in advance, but it's something I see a lot.
 

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I think we need to respect the poster's statement of "I do not want her back on it (Eukanuba)" and offer suggestions and comments regarding what her situation is at the moment.
 

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Without knowing the calories, 3 cups plus the extras seems like a lot of food each day, unless she is VERY active. I would at least cut out the extras, give it several days and see if that helps.

Also, it is possible that her intestines have gotten irritated and have not had a chance to settle down. Tylan is good for that, as is "resting" her insides with boiled hamburger or chicken, and rice, until her stools firm up again. Once they firm up, you can begin substituting a small amount of kibble until she is switched 100% to kibble.

What suggestions has your breeder had? Has she been checked by your vet for parasites?
 

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Thank you all for your input. I appreciate the advice. As for the dog food debate....I will not get drawn into that and this is the last I will say about Eukanuba: she will not go back on it. I am not of the belief that it is a perfectly fine food. I am looking for a higher quality food and that is direction I will continue to head. As advised by some folks I am going to give her tummy a rest tonight. After some reflection, I agree that 3 cups may have been too much. The 3 cups a day the breeder recommended was on the Eukanuba and I did not take that into account. I'm also going to give her only kibble while she adjusts to a new food. Thanks again! You guys are the best!
 

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She's a little old for the problem to be coccidia.

I will say that one of my Goldens cannot tolerate raw or hard boiled eggs-she gets monumental diarrhea :( She's fine with egg in kibble but just cannot take it otherwise. And another one does not handle dairy foods well-yogurt gives him the runs.

I would try cutting out the extras, including the canned food, and see if that helps. It can take several days for everything to work its way through her system.

Also, if she has always had loose stools, have you tried something like Tylan? It works wonders on diarrhea with no specific cause. I always keep Tylan on hand in my first aid kit, in case someone gets the runs, especially on the road for dog shows.

Where would you get Tylan? Luck has stool issues since I have had him, completely unexplained.
 

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You can get Tylan online. Here one link:

http://www.amazon.com/Tylan-Soluble...1?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1258670181&sr=8-1

It's $50.00 for a 100 gram bottle, but that will last you a VERY long time. A good dosage is 1/8 of a teaspoon twice daily. It's a powder, so you can sprinkle it right on their food.

I am a big fan of this stuff.

Tylan is a lot like Metronidazole, but it's much safer to use and you can use it for LONG periods of time. It has antibiotic properties that will help restore the balance of microbes in the gut. It is an anti diarrheal....you usually see a difference in 24 hours. It is also an anti-inflammatory that helps resolve any colitis that is present.

It was the one thing that solved the constant problems we were having with our puppy. From the time we brought her home, she would have a couple days of good stools and a few days of mush. We tried a lot of different things. Finally, we put her on Tylan for 3 weeks, then stopped. She had trophy:) stools for a little over a week, and then went back to mush (a big improvement). We put her back on the Tylan for another 3 weeks and stopped. She has now been doing wonderfully for the past 4 or 5 months.
 

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How old is she? Another possibility is that she has coccidia, which is difficult to find in stools and in puppies, will often show up after being stressed (going to a new home, starting a new food, etc.)

Coccidia is very common and requires a different fecal test than either giardia (another possibility) or worms.
This is what I was going to suggest, since it happened after she was already on the new food for a while. Any dog that starts that and it lasts more than a few days gets treated for coccidia automatically in my house. But where I live, it is rampant.
 

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Yup, I keep Flagyl (Metro), Tylan, and Albon. Tylan is BITTER NASTY stuff, though. Even my greediest pig won't eat her food if it's in there. I have to get creative.
 

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I don't feed my dogs top notch food to make myself feel better. I do it for them. Just saying....

But I will say if she thrives on Euk, then why not feed it?
 

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I'm sorry, and I know this doesn't make me popular, but feeding a dog something that sounds better to you but makes the dog sick doesn't make any sense to me.

If you're not going to switch back to the food that makes her symptoms disappear, that's your right. She's your dog. It's just a mentality I don't get.
 
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