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This is an opportunity to help the member find a reputable breeder instead of criticizing her.
A number of people have tried , ever so gently, to do so.
My take is that the OP would have bought a "beyond cute" pup anyway if the puppy mill operator had not told him/her to look elsewhere.
Maybe I'm wrong but it sounded like after all the other red flags and lies, the OP actually believed the breeder had "the reports in her desk'!!!
This is someone who has learned nothing from the experience and will repeat the same mistakes.
Yes I was criticizing the OP, but was it not honest criticism? I certainly did not post just to be mean, I'd call it tough love.
 

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None of us can make rec's to breeders who have puppies, per the rules. What we can do is be very explicit about the shortcomings of the breeder OP was choosing- and as I said, good breeder cut her loose because that will, in the end, be a blessing to the OP for the reasons everyone posted. No one was dishonest.
 
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None of us can make rec's to breeders who have puppies, per the rules. What we can do is be very explicit about the shortcomings of the breeder OP was choosing- and as I said, good breeder cut her loose because that will, in the end, be a blessing to the OP for the reasons everyone posted. No one was dishonest.
You can send ANY info you wish via a Private Message.

Rule #4 says no postings of "Available" pups is permitted to be posted on the Forum which also includes links to sites with "Available" pups/dogs listed on the site.
 

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Thank you for all your inputs. I checked with the breeder regarding all the concerns as mentioned by you all, and she replied back that I should find another breeder whom I can trust !

She did mention that she has all the reports for eye and heart sitting on her desk, so I have no idea why they are not available online on k9data or being shared with clients directly.

These puppies are beyond cute, and I hope I will be able to find one soon from a reputable breeder. Please share any reputed breeders in Texas for English cream golden retrievers or lab retrievers (I live in Austin) who provide all the health clearances and also hopefully charge reasonable. Thank you!
If you are set on a light colored Golden, then in addition to the breeders that @mylissyk quoted, check with Millenium Goldens. They have some light dogs, but do not breed for color and do all of the proper health testing per GRCA as far as I know.
 
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A number of people have tried , ever so gently, to do so.
My take is that the OP would have bought a "beyond cute" pup anyway if the puppy mill operator had not told him/her to look elsewhere.
Maybe I'm wrong but it sounded like after all the other red flags and lies, the OP actually believed the breeder had "the reports in her desk'!!!
This is someone who has learned nothing from the experience and will repeat the same mistakes.
Yes I was criticizing the OP, but was it not honest criticism? I certainly did not post just to be mean, I'd call it tough love.
No I am not that naive :) Because these are all the necessary information the breeder would/should have given us upfront (if she already had it). When she is running a business and charging way more than most other breeders, and then telling me that she has stacked latest test reports somewhere and needs time to find them , it is a very poor excuse , for sure.
Infact she sent us the pedigree information for the sire and dam , only after we went back to her and asked for it. Maybe most first time buyers would just see the few passing tests she has added on k9data and take them as health clearances, not sure. But I kept going back to her with many questions instead of making a decision, which might be her reason to cut me off.

Getting a puppy is a huge decision. I would not be comfortable bringing one home without all the documents. So I am glad I asked all the questions and did not jump into making a deposit without doing my research. Thanks again to everyone for your help!
 

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Yeskae,
You are a very smart person, and I am sure that in time you will find a beautiful, healthy, pup.

I understand the difficulty with finding and good puppy, especially when you have kids. You see the passion our Golden owners have on this subject, I think you will soon join our ranks. I have been a Golden Retriever owner/ lover for over 30 years and I raised three kids during that time. Two things I would share with you that I have learned over the years...1-finding a well bred pup with full family health clearances gives you the best chance of having a healthy pup that will live a long life. 2-we people that avidly support having our dogs and our new puppies health certified is to try to help eliminate inherited health defects that destroy the overall health of future generations of Golden's. Breeders that do not follow these guidelines are the ones who proliferate dogs that suffer with bad health and shortened lives. Therefore, we have to be vigilant in our efforts for the sake of our breed!

Also...one other thing I learned is to never look at the new puppies you are considering, until all the clearances, contract terms, and price has been determined! More importantly,, don't let your kids or wife see the pups either, until you have done your homework. Problem is, for me, every Golden puppy I see, I immediately see it as the most beautiful puppy I have ever seen.....! And I cannot walk away...

Good Luck, you are on a good path to a great addition to your family...
 

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English cream is a marketing ploy. Stay away from this breeder. Their dogs aren’t titled and clearances are incomplete. This just looks like your run of the mill byb.
 

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I checked with the breeder regarding all the concerns as mentioned by you all, and she replied back that I should find another breeder whom I can trust !
This says everything you need to know. A good, ethical breeder who is following the code of ethics is PROUD to display all the health clearances on their website or K9Data and link to OFA. They do not force you to jump through hoops to get the information and they certainly don't cut you loose when you ask questions about the puppies' potential health.

This was a good learning experience for you. It will be so well worth the wait to find a good breeder and get on a wait list.
 
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Neither sire nor dam have CoE clearances. Both are missing a cardiologist heart, his hips/elbows were done underaged if at all (since they didn't spend the minimal $s to put on OFA) . She lacks a current eye cert. And neither has any depth or breadth of clearances so I am of the opinion you are a lucky person she sent you packing when you inquired further (and I'm sure you realize this is not normal breeder behavior and indicates more to hide). Pricing is absurd when you can get (real)CH sired/titled dam with ALL clearances for many generations both back and wide for much less. And from a breeder who wants you to know the pedigree as well as you can given it's a new study for you.

If this is the sire, they got the hips/elbows done.

Heart clearance says "specialist" - which I was puzzling over.

Just recognizing when they do something right - because enough of breeders people ask about fall well short on the clearances they claim they do, but.....

No real opinion on the pedigree or price. My gut feeling is that anyone looking for an English style golden right now has very slim pickings. There really are very few respected breeders in the US who breed regularly.
 

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I am almost ready make a deposit on a english cream golden retriever. The website and FB page for the breeder looks good, and the breeder is not allowing visits as the puppies are very young right now(3 weeks) which is understandable.
These are champion bloodline puppies and are priced very high at $4000. I noticed on the website for the Sire for the puppy I am looking at (the sire is from a different out of town breeder) , and the puppies on that website for the same sire (a different dam) are listed for $2950.
Looks like I am either missing something on how the breeders decide the price or I will be overpaying by more than a $1000 for similar puppies??

Also, I do not know very well how to read the test results on k9data , but noticed genetic testing missing for the dam , I was able to see that her other offspring is Icinthyosis carrier , so was told that the puppy I am looking at will be a carrier too. Also the tests are old, and do not seem to be updated since last year. Also the Sire has following mentioned in his report "Cataract E1 Suspect not Inherited " which I was told is not an issue as well as long as both parents do not have the same health issues.
The age for the sire on the report for hip test etc is 14 months (while I read somewhere that the tests are valid only after 2 years of age?)

Can anyone please take a look at let me know if any of the above are red flags(I might be over thinking too as I am very new to all this !!! ). I need to make a decision asap , so would be grateful if anyone can help me with this. Thank you.

Website:Home page ⋆ Texas Rose English Goldens | Texas Based English Cream Golden Retriever Puppies Breeders
Sire: Pedigree: Tramin Rikki Tikki Tavi
Dam: Pedigree: Kauffmans Gracie Rose
If you want to look at another breeder I think is ethical and owns the brother to my dog with appropriate clearences on both Dam and Sire. Search Hoyt Couture Golden Retrievers in Granbury, TX Still going to be over 2100 for a well bread dog. I am planning on getting one on the next litter. They may have one in later December early Jan.
 

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If you want to look at another breeder I think is ethical and owns the brother to my dog with appropriate clearences on both Dam and Sire. Search Hoyt Couture Golden Retrievers in Granbury, TX Still going to be over 2100 for a well bread dog. I am planning on getting one on the next litter. They may have one in later December early Jan.
Just be aware this breeder often breeds dogs with elbow dysplasia. Lacking up to day eye certifications is sometimes an issue as is deficient heart certifications. For a breeder that claims Bred with H.E.A.R.T membership it is disappointing to see these issues.
 
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