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It was the scariest moment in my life! I thought I was losing my boy and it was all going so fast!

The seizure of my dog happened at 1h12 in the night. We had gone to bed an hour before and were sleeping. My dogs sleep in the bedroom with me.
I woke up because my dog, Bear, was vomiting (his dinner). While I was cleaning it up, he bit in the air towards his left rear leg, as if he was bitten/stung by something.
Immediately after he raced down stairs and I heard sounds that sound like more vomiting to me (I did find a little on the floor). Strorm, my other, younger golden had followed him and suddenly he started crying hysterically, so I rushed down and found Bear posed in a weird cramped position as if something was stuck in his intestines.
I separated Storm in the hallway to take care of Bear, but as I turned back around to him, he fell on his (right) side, paws shaking in the air and his head weirdly stretched. He also made uncontrolled movements with his jaw. His eyes where open all the time, so I am not sure if he ever was unconscious. I thought he was having a heart attack and wanted to go closer to help, but he fiercely growled at me. At that instance I remembered reading about an epileptic seizure and that it can cause temporarily ‘aggression’.
He stood back up very quickly and started barking at me and backing away. He clearly did not recognize me and was scared.
I joined my other dog in the hallway to give Bear a bit more space and relief some stress. Bear can open doors very easily and not long after he opened the door to the hallway and was very happy to see us. He was back to normal and it was over. He did drink a lot within the first 30 mins of the seizure and was extremely restless for the next 2-3 hours. Now, I've read here it's best to give 2-3 table spoons of vanilla Häagen-Dazs (bought it!) and a meal of his regular food to raise his sugar levels again.

I called the vet immediately, but it could wait until the morning, unless he would get a second seizure that night, but he didn’t. The day after full blood work was done, but no result. I also had him tested for lyme, but I’m still waiting for those results.

And now, we have to wait for a second seizure to present itself to examine it further and to start with medicine if necessary.
He is now 6 days seizure free... The insecurity is just awful!

I had dewormed (milbemax) my dogs 32h prior to his seizure, so I think that was the trigger. Has anyone experienced this as well?
I’m not doing that anymore, as of now. I can’t think of any other trigger, we had a very normal day before.
In 10 days I would normally have my dogs vaccinated, but I’m not anymore either, since it can be a trigger also, so I’ve read.


Is it naive to hope this was a one time seizure if I stop with all the chemicals? Or at least hope there are months or even years between seizures, so my boy doesn't need medication? I really don't like him to go on the meds, they will affect his life quality and I'm afraid for the liver and kidney damage in the future.

My heart breaks that my fantastic boy is sick.
 

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I know exactly how you feel and how terribly frightening this can be as it happened to us with Harley. He had a grand mal seizure in November 5 days after being dosed with the Bravecto flea and tick edible chew. We took Harley to the vet whilst still fitting and meds were given (valium) to try to bring him out of it. He ended up having to be given a general anaesthetic (twice) to try and bring him out of it. Our vet put him on anti-seizure meds but only for a 10 day period after which time they were gradually reduced. We have been lucky that Harley has been seizure free since but the vet has said he can have no chemicals including vaccinations, heartworm meds, flea and tick meds etc. Also no preservatives in his foods. If your wormer is the trigger then you may be able to remain seizure free by avoiding it. Time will no doubt be your answer. The early days are the worse. Each seizure free day gives you a little confidence. There is a seizure forum here which you will find is very supportive. There are people dealing with regular seizures who have good advice. You are in my thoughts.
 

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Wow, Harley had a real rough one! I'm so sorry to hear that.

Yes, I've read a lot on this forum, especially because it's about golden retrievers with seizures in particular, that information is most useful to me. I hope my younger golden boy won't get any seizures when he's older.
It is such an amazing breed and my 2 boys are so great, it's so sad so many sweet dogs suffer from this.

If my boy should get a second seizure within the month, the vet will have him on meds for 6 weeks also. If he remains free of seizures during that period, he will be taken off again and see how it evolves. My vet is aware how heavy the medication is for his health.

I feed my boys Orijen Adult kibble and grain-free treats, so I think the food department is well covered.
I truly hope that quitting all the chemicals will be the answer. I'm very happy to hear Harley has been seizure free ever since and I will think of him that it stays like this and he can live a long, healthy and no doubt happy life.

Yes, time will tell, but it is nerve wracking to not knowing and that all I can do at this point is wait in fear...
 

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My Helo had seizures very similar to Bear except Helo doesn't show the aggression. He is now 2 1/2 years seizure free and I hope it stays that way. I believe something in the food he was eating was his trigger so we avoid that brand of food plus he is on liquid potassium bromide. Phenobarbitol never helped his seizures. Helo only gets certain treats that I know won't cause seizures. I won't try anything new, just in case it triggers him. I'm thankful he doesn't seem to get bored with his food. He's always excited to eat and for his treats. I hope your boy's seizure was a one time thing. I think quitting all the chemicals is probably a good idea. Helo still gets vaccinated and has no reaction but we don't have a flea, tick or heartworm problem where I live so he is not on any of those preventatives. Good luck to you and Bear!
 

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Thank you Helo & mum! So happy to hear Helo is 2 1/2 yr seizure free! I've looked up the medication his having and it seems it will not damage the liver, so that is great.

I hope Bear will have his own succes story also.
It is very encouraging to read all your experiences, some better than others, but I know now there is hope.

Helo will be in my thoughts as well and I wish him all the very best.
 

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My first Golden had a grand mal seizure when she was approx 2-3yrs of age. Got her right to the vets and neither they or I could figure any rhyme or reason why it happened so we took the wait and see approach. She never had another seizure her entire life so keep positive that it is a one and only seizure for your Bear too.

With that said my last Golden wasn't so lucky. She was almost 13 when they started and meds kept them under control for 5 months until cancer took her away from me.

Seizures are a very scary thing if you never had a dog have one before. When I joined the forum years ago I read everything posted about seizures to expand my knowledge and one of many things I learned is applying ocular compression. That technique came to me the moment the Grand mal seizure started with my last girl and none of her seizures ever went past a minute, usually less.

http://www.canine-epilepsy.com/Ocularcompression.html

To me the post-ictal stage is worse than the seizure itself to deal with, they are not themselves. The pacing, getting stuck in corners and going blind temporarily I have seen. Also the Pheno med is the first go too because it just plain works but as anyone with a seizure will tell you the side affects stink for a while until they get used to it.
 

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Thank you GoldenCamper for sharing this encouraging message. It really gives me so much hope.
1 week seizure free today! let's hope we can keep counting for a very long time!

I've read if the first seizure starts at a later age (8+) then it's secondary epilepsy and caused by an underlying condition, maybe it was cancer that triggered it in your golden? Nonetheless, it is still very sad you have lost your girl in such a short amount of time.

Thank you for the tip! I will certainly try to apply it if I can, but obviously I hope I don't have to.

I've been reading every single thread on this forum now about seizures. Still going through them all, but I want to be prepared for everything.

it was a very traumatizing experience for me. So unexpected of course and the thought I might lose my dear boy... Just awful!
 

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My boy tested positive for Lyme... :frown2: Hopefully the treatment will work.

It might have cause the seizure, it might not... Still the waiting game. :crying:
 

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My boy tested positive for Lyme... :frown2: Hopefully the treatment will work.

It might have cause the seizure, it might not... Still the waiting game. :crying:
I doubt Lyme caused it and Doxycycline will help him. Don't go there waiting for another seizure, I didn't.

Not long after my second girls second cluster we went camping for almost 2 weeks and only came back as she was running out of meds.
 

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I doubt Lyme caused it and Doxycycline will help him. Don't go there waiting for another seizure, I didn't.

Not long after my second girls second cluster we went camping for almost 2 weeks and only came back as she was running out of meds.
Yes, he's being treated with doxycycline for a month now. I have faith!

No, I don't mean I'm literally waiting and putting our lives on hold, but we can't do more at this point then wait and see how it all evolves.
 

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I am a little desperate about what I can give my boys to protect them against ticks. Something that really works, but will not be harmfull for Bear and trigger a seizure... So difficult!
I am looking at Vectra 3D, it is still chemical, but should be lighter dosed than others. Anyone has any experience with this?
My vet recommends Bravecto, but I don't think so after reading Harley's thread.
 

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I have a great vet in general, really. They specialise in a lot, but not epilepsy. So if Bear should get more seizures, I will go to a vet in my country that does specialise in epilepsy.

But I agree, all vets should know the risks and nonetheless be extra careful with chemicals with a dog that had one or multiple seizures. Luckily I do my homework and stand up for my boys.
 

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I am so very sorry that you and Bear are on the seizure path. It is a very difficult one.

That a product causes seizures in one dog doesn't mean it will cause them in every dog. Part of what is difficult with this condition is the need to evaluate constantly for your own dog. That's why a seizure journal is so important, because it will help you to recognize patterns. My Charlie had seizures after applications Frontline Plus, which turned out to be a common trigger for other dogs. Some seizure dogs do well with tick collars and other flea meds. This is an important topic for discussion with a veterinary neurologist, assuming that you consult one.

It has been a while since I researched flea and tick products for seizure dogs. I'll take another pass at it and see if I can come up with anything new.

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Thank you Lucy for your support and compassion.

We're one day short of 4 weeks without a new seizure. So I have good hopes the seizures will be far enough apart for him not to be on meds and lead a normal life with my other golden boy.
I still find Lyme disease a possible trigger to. I recently read a story of a dog that was almost euthanized due to severe paralyses and the cause was a tick and when removed the dog went back to normal! So the damage a tick can do, it not to be underestimated.

I've researched as much as I could and found Vectra 3D to be a fairly safe bet, so I'm using this now on my both boys to protect them against tick. It was with a small heart, but luckily they did not have any bad response whatsoever, not even the slightest itch. They also did not try to lick it off or anything, I was concerned about that too.
And the product works great too. I have only found one little tiny tick and it was already dead. Before they used to have 5-15 ticks after each walk. So, I'm quite happy that I can protect my dogs adequately now and it is safe for Bear. I would have felt so guilty, but I had to do something.
Btw, Storm (my other golden) tested negative for Lyme, so that's good news.

I have to admit, I still often go to sleep being scared for the next seizure. Everything Bear does now, I see under a magnifying glass and I get worried fast. It is quite stressful...
A week ago he had to vomit and I really was sure this was the signal for the second seizure, since the first one started with vomiting too, but luckily it didn't happen. It is so awful to witness, I'm not ready to have my heart broken again (but I never will be, tbh).
 

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My boy has made it to more than 8 weeks without a second seizure this week!!! :grin2: :--happy:
My vet is very positive it could be a one time thing caused by Lyme disease, because most dogs have a second seizure before 6 - 8 weeks. :crossfing

Do you think I could get my hopes up that it was only once? When does a second seizure typically present itself? I know some dogs do not have a lot of seizures in their life, maybe one every year or 3 to 5 years, but I'm curious to know when a second seizure usually occurs. Can I start believing it that he has no epilepsy when he makes it to 6 months without a second seizure? :confused:
 

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I'm so happy to hear Bear is 8 weeks without a seizure!!!! I don't know if there is a firm time on when most dogs have a second seizure. When I first got Helo he had them every 2 weeks in the middle of the night. Now that he is almost 3 years seizure free, I still don't consider him "cured". He could have another seizure any time but I can't let it worry me too much. We just take it one day at a time. I know if I hear anything unusual from him in the middle of the night I'm on high alert that he's going to have a seizure. Thankfully he's a sound sleeper and it's rare that he makes any noise. Your vet might be right that his seizure was a one time thing caused by Lyme disease. I hope so! I'm also glad you were able to find a tick preventative that isn't causing seizures!!! I am so happy we don't have a tick problem where I live. I don't want to risk Helo having more seizures from a flea and tick chemical. Best wishes to you and keep us updated on your sweet Bear!!!
 

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Yes, me too!
Of course, Bear could also have a second seizure at any time... But I will never see it coming until it happens, so I try to be very positive now and hope for the very best.

Thank you so much for your kind and supportive words Helo's Mom. It really means a lot to me.
I am also very happy to hear that Helo is almost 3 years free. I understand the insecurity and it is very difficult to handle, but every week, month and certainly years without a seizure is a big win! I have good hopes you can have Helo with you for many, many years to come and epilepsy will not affect her life too much (anymore). I do keep my fingers crossed!

Ha, Bear unfortunately is NOT a sound sleeper and dreams a lot with many gestures and noises. But that luckily does not put me on high alert, when he starts vomiting, then I start to panic. They also sleep in my bedroom and I work from home, so I can keep a very good eye on him/them.

I'll keep you updated and hopefully only good news!
 

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Unfortunately Bear had a second seizure yesterday after exactly 3 months. Now a day free again...

It happened at noon this time, nothing special happened. He went to the backyard for a very short time, came back in and started seizing (no vomiting this time). The seizure was a little shorter and less severe than the first time and he recovered faster too. He was weak in his hind legs for about an hour and agitated for about two hours. I immediately gave him vanilla icecream, as read on this forum, and his regular food. He drank a lot again too.
We went to the vet, for another more elaborate blood analyses, but nothing is expected to come from it.

The vet found 3 months a nice in between period and wanted to hold off on medication until the interval should get shorter for the next seizures.
I did get valium ampules to use when he seizes again.

So here we are again... Unsure and scared about the future. Hopefully he'll have a mild progress and he can still have a long, happy life.
 

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I am a little desperate about what I can give my boys to protect them against ticks. Something that really works, but will not be harmfull for Bear and trigger a seizure... So difficult!
I am looking at Vectra 3D, it is still chemical, but should be lighter dosed than others. Anyone has any experience with this?
My vet recommends Bravecto, but I don't think so after reading Harley's thread.
I am so sorry to read about your boy's seizure.

You can try a more holistic approach for ticks and fleas.

With Brisby I have used Brewers Yeast tabs with garlic and linoleic acid with Omega 3,6,9 in combination of tea tree oil on her collar every time we go out in the bush...which we do most days all year 'round. We have had one tick in the last 3 years with this combination where other dogs we walk with have had numerous ticks.

Another product my Veterinarian recommends is a product called Tickz in the US and My Best Friend in Canada.

Since you are in Belgium, I don't know if you can find these products there or if they can be shipped if you decide to go this route.

NaturVet Brewer's Yeast & Garlic with Linoleic (5000 tables)

Tickz | Tick Treatment For Dogs, Pet Tick Treatment | PetzLife
 
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