You can buy ONE for that price it does not include electronics. If you make them you can have 3-4 PLUS electronics for that price. Also if you make them you know how to fix them. The guy who made his has been using the same ones for over 5 years now with no problems.Make them for $400-$500 can't you buy them for near that price? I thought I saw some for $600.
To me the benefit of the wingers is the ability to train alone. If you are in a group more pain to reset them every time. But let's face it, can't always find someone to throw for you when you want to train. I see it as a potential problem for young dogs, but I don't really worry about Scout at this point...at least I feel like I know enough not to set her up for failure.
You can teach concepts with them and run drills without doing overly technical marks. Anyway, I think they could be excellent for training alone. My friend has some and does use them on her own frequently. Sometimes I train with her and we set them up. Honestly never had a problem with my dog needing help when using them...and no that is not sticking with flat, short, featureless land either.
Also I think some people have just made the manual versions...or made the frame and ordered the electronics from dogtra or tritronics.
I have three of them--two Zinger II's and one Uplander, plus remotes. I got the wingers in stages--my Uplander and one of the Zingers were trade ins that Rob refurbished so I got a better deal on them. Helps to know the company founder sometimes! And I am in the IC club with Tritronics so I got my remotes as I got the wingers with my annual deal. That all helped with the price! I guess for me, knowing the forces these things can generate I would be worried about a failure with one made out of essentially plastic.How many did you get? I would like to get some eventually just not sure when. They are so expensive though and the idea that I could make three of them myself for less than the price of one is tempting and might make it more affordable sooner. I saw someone made his out of EMT pipe and it looks pretty nice.
Depends on the dog and what I am trying to accomplish with that mark. With Bonnie, who is still learning fundamentals, if I was doing something like teaching the mechanics of a double and building memory, I might set up two wingers at the memory bird station so that if she does not remember the mark I can rethrow it. For Breeze and Winter I am generally trying to teach some sort of concept now, so if they cave in to a factor, or avoid terrain I am going to handle to get them to do the mark correctly. Then I will set up the same concept again and run them again to see if they have learned. I rarely repeat marks, but will repeat the concept that made the mark challenging. If they have made it out to the mark correctly but then are having a hard time coming up with it I will just quack the remote to help them stay in the area if their hunt starts to get a bit rangy--which really isn't all that different from a gunner hey-heying to keep a dog in the AOF.Shelly, what do you do if one of your dogs doesn't find the mark when you've used a winger?