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In the last 24 hours I've been contacted by four different people looking for English Creme/European/white/light Goldens. I referred them to a couple friends who breed light dogs. But I'd like to create a list of ethical breeders all over the country who breed light dogs, or European dogs. You know they're out there. They do the health testing, they compete, they follow the CoE.

So please list any you know of in this thread. We need to be able to verify them. No greeders, mills, or BYBs, please. Just people who breed light colored dogs, both European and American, and who do it the right way. And then I will see what I can do about creating a list that we can refer people to, since this English Cream thing just keeps coming back like herpes.

Will you help?
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If having a white dog was my a priority, I would not get a golden retriever.
Bear’s mom was “golden” colored who came from Beau Geste’s Pollux who was also “golden” colored. His dad was Colin from Eastshore who happened to be “cream” colored. Of the 8 puppies in the litter, about half were “golden” and half “cream” colored. Bear resembles his dad, Colin. I did not request a lighter colored pup. I would have been happy with either. This is our first “cream” colored pup and he is a great dog. He’s smart, loving, well-mannered and goofy...everything a Golden should be.


Bear at about 6 weeks
Lincoln with Bear
 

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Bear’s mom was “golden” colored who came from Beau Geste’s Pollux who was also “golden” colored. His dad was Colin from Eastshore who happened to be “cream” colored. Of the 8 puppies in the litter, about half were “golden” and half “cream” colored. Bear resembles his dad, Colin. I did not request a lighter colored pup. I would have been happy with either. This is our first “cream” colored pup and he is a great dog. He’s smart, loving, well-mannered and goofy...everything a Golden should be.


Bear at about 6 weeks
Lincoln with Bear
I'm sure he is a fine dog.
My point, breeding for color is usually for money, not for the betterment of the breed.
 

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Bear’s mom was “golden” colored who came from Beau Geste’s Pollux who was also “golden” colored. His dad was Colin from Eastshore who happened to be “cream” colored. Of the 8 puppies in the litter, about half were “golden” and half “cream” colored. Bear resembles his dad, Colin. I did not request a lighter colored pup. I would have been happy with either. This is our first “cream” colored pup and he is a great dog. He’s smart, loving, well-mannered and goofy...everything a Golden should be.


Bear at about 6 weeks
Lincoln with Bear
I think Bear is gorgeous. Lincoln was too.
 

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could you please give us and example of why we should look for and English cream breeder. thanks
Actually, most of us would say you should NOT look for an "English cream breeder." LOL! This forum is full of threads where we try to educate uninformed buyers about the fact that there is really no such thing, that they are NOT longer lived or less prone to cancer, that breeders using that term aren't generally "good" breeders, etc., etc.

That said, there are many people who just like the look of the super light Golden Retriever, or who find the somewhat heavier body style of what I think of as "European-style" more appealing. Everyone is entitled to their own preference... Liking the light blond golden is every bit as legit a preference as liking any other shade of Gold.

The problem comes in that the breeders who breed with color as the goal, or who try to capitalize on the current fad of lighter colored ("English Cream") Goldens are almost always NOT responsible, reputable breeders who are breeding according to the GRCA Code of Ethics ("COE"). This thread is an attempt to provide the novice puppy buyer who might prefer light-colored dogs with a list of reputable breeders who just happen to produce (always or sometimes) dogs with lighter coats.
 

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There are many wonderful ethical English/European style golden breeders through out US and Canada.

I also suggest researching pedigrees on K9data and following up on OFA to make sure all clearances and genetic test are up to date, done at appropriate ages by correct specialist as needed, and asking others if you are not sure to help you research the breeder, pedigree and clearances if one is not sure.

Marge Trowbridge of Trowsnest Goldens in her early years was in CT and then moved to NH and now retired from breeding. Many still have her lines and may have incorporated them in their lines.

Suzanne Birks of Birks Goldens is in CT, was partnered with Marge for many many years. No longer breeding.

Cindy Jones of Golden Joys, CT

Robert Swanson of Overlook was in CT years ago now NY.

Chris Miele of Cross Creek was past president of GRCA. Great to pick her mind about pedigrees and all.

Wendy Bergeron of Eastshore NH has many lovey imports and great pack. Very knowledgeable. Has studs and bitches.

Jan Bramhall of Beau Geste in NH has studs and bitches

Karin and Sean Klouman of Kyon Goldens Canada both bitches and stud dogs. Very very active really knows European lines and style

Louise Guy of Stoneledge MA stud dogs now.

Shannon Flynn of Cooper Moon West Coast

Nancy Porter Gadd Northernlove Texas now,

Joanne Cava of Tanglewood NC stud and bitches

Mary and Don Schulz Cedar Goldens MI, stud and bitches also does blend, Don is a AKC judge

Karen Webb Star Crowned CA

April Fulk Huesofgold Alaska

Jennifer Manzer Jadd Goldens Canada

Marijana Racic Glamour Shine, Croatia


There are many more good ones but a nice start and most can answer questions or refer you to someone else. Always due your homework though.
 

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@Laura Way - I agree that many of the people you have mentioned are known and are good breeders. But Dana's question was about breeders who absolutely toe the line when it comes to clearances, breeding age, and ethics when it comes to what they breed and why.

My perspective is across the board, you should trust but verify with any known breeders - INCLUDING the ones I've gotten my dogs from. You should never just buy a puppy without checking clearances or asking candid questions. And unfortunately, a lot of breeders find reasons to breed dogs who are not even two years old, who only have preliminary clearances, or who failed one or both elbows.

When it comes to European style breeders - with many of them it seems to be more prevalent that they are cutting corners. Or they are out of the country (Canada or eastern Europe) and they are not to be held to the same standards. And some of them are drastically overcharging for what they breed, considering the quality isn't quite there.

One of the breeders I can think of has bad luck producing good looking dogs. The ones I've seen are really terrible looking. She charges equal or double what other breeders charge.

Anyway - I think puppy buyers should not be looking for a list of "approved" breeders. Particularly since there is nobody making each and every breeder toe the line and behave in an ethical manner when it comes to breeding and interacting with their puppy buyers.

People need to know what to look for - in any case across the board whether you are looking for a European style golden, a show bred golden, a field bred golden, a golden bred for obedience and agility, or whatnot -

Look for full clearances on the dogs.

Hips and elbows cannot be cleared until after 24 months.

Eyes should be done once a year or at least the same year the dogs were bred.

Hearts - should be cleared by a cardiologist once after 12 months.

That's bare minimum what people should be looking for.

Next level after that is wanting all of the same on the grandparents, great grandparents, etc.

For European style goldens, I'd go the extra step and expect the genetic tests to be done as well - particularly for ichthyosis. This skin condition is in the breed across the board. But it's worse in European lines for whatever reason.
 

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The purpose of this thread was to construct a list for reputable English-type breeders. We are educating perspective owners on what they should be looking for using this list as a guideline. There are, unfortunately many, many irresponsible breeders of golden retrievers in general. Now with the rise in popularity of light coated dogs, the "English Cream" trend has created a rise in those types of breeders as well.

OF COURSE regardless of the color of the dog, field type, conformation type, english type etc. buyers should be verifying heath clearances and making sure that necessary health testing is in place. This list is not the be all end all, but rather a good start for anyone who is looking for this type of breeder.

So yes, ALWAYS do your research and verify everything, but we have heard from several responsible breeders on this thread making sound suggestions for puppy buyers.
 

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The purpose of this thread was to construct a list for reputable English-type breeders. We are educating perspective owners on what they should be looking for using this list as a guideline. There are, unfortunately many, many irresponsible breeders of golden retrievers in general. Now with the rise in popularity of light coated dogs, the "English Cream" trend has created a rise in those types of breeders as well.

OF COURSE regardless of the color of the dog, field type, conformation type, english type etc. buyers should be verifying heath clearances and making sure that necessary health testing is in place. This list is not the be all end all, but rather a good start for anyone who is looking for this type of breeder.

So yes, ALWAYS do your research and verify everything, but we have heard from several responsible breeders on this thread making sound suggestions for puppy buyers.

Thank you Emma, even with the list I pulled together one should always check clearances, check pedigrees, always do your research. But it was a list to start with and no way supporting not to do those things. I believe I also suggested this when I pulled the list together. And if one is not sure how to go about researching this forma is a great place to ask with so many that understand pedigrees, and clearances and can help.
 

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My Way Golden Retrievers, CT
Eastshore Goldens, NH
Stoneledge Golden Retrievers, MA
Quapaw Golden Retrievers, IN (not sure how updated her website is but she is active on FB)
Kyon Kennels (Canada)
Darrowby Goldens, NY (though I can't maneuver their website for the life of me..)
Bandegold Golden Retrievers, MI
Is Trowsnest still breeding???

Thanks for doing this Dana! I think it will be really helpful to steer those members looking for English type goldens in the right direction.
In the last 24 hours I've been contacted by four different people looking for English Creme/European/white/light Goldens. I referred them to a couple friends who breed light dogs. But I'd like to create a list of ethical breeders all over the country who breed light dogs, or European dogs. You know they're out there. They do the health testing, they compete, they follow the CoE.

So please list any you know of in this thread. We need to be able to verify them. No greeders, mills, or BYBs, please. Just people who breed light colored dogs, both European and American, and who do it the right way. And then I will see what I can do about creating a list that we can refer people to, since this English Cream thing just keeps coming back like herpes.

Will you help?
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The "english creme" was in quotes to denote that the layperson may term it "english creme" but that doesn't mean an ethical breeder would term it such. It's SEO (search engine optimization). The goal is to compile a list of ethical, reputable breeders whose stock and pups tends to be lighter gold than is common among the well bred community. So if someone google "english creme golden retrievers" hopefully this thread pops up over all the random BYBs out there. :)
I am looking for a reputable breeder for the European Cream Golden because I have one and he is so calm and gentle. This is not my first Golden I have had 6 golden retrievers and I had good luck with my European golden
 

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Actually, most of us would say you should NOT look for an "English cream breeder." LOL! This forum is full of threads where we try to educate uninformed buyers about the fact that there is really no such thing, that they are NOT longer lived or less prone to cancer, that breeders using that term aren't generally "good" breeders, etc., etc.

That said, there are many people who just like the look of the super light Golden Retriever, or who find the somewhat heavier body style of what I think of as "European-style" more appealing. Everyone is entitled to their own preference... Liking the light blond golden is every bit as legit a preference as liking any other shade of Gold.

The problem comes in that the breeders who breed with color as the goal, or who try to capitalize on the current fad of lighter colored ("English Cream") Goldens are almost always NOT responsible, reputable breeders who are breeding according to the GRCA Code of Ethics ("COE"). This thread is an attempt to provide the novice puppy buyer who might prefer light-colored dogs with a list of reputable breeders who just happen to produce (always or sometimes) dogs with lighter coats.
That is what I am looking for the European style crime coat stockier built and blocker heads
 

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I am looking for a reputable breeder for the European Cream Golden because I have one and he is so calm and gentle. This is not my first Golden I have had 6 golden retrievers and I had good luck with my European golden
Just be aware that coat color and country of origin has no bearing on an individual dog's temperament. It's fine if you prefer the look of the so-called "European Cream" but you still need to do your own due diligence when choosing a breeder AND let the breeder know what kind of temperament you are looking for. Even within a given littler there can be a wide range of personalities!
 
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