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I have been looking into breeders in other countries (and a few in the US with "English" lines) and have noticed that the amount of champions and titled dogs in a 5 generation pedigree is significantly lower. It's not uncommon to find a well bred American golden with 50+ champs in 5 generations, but I am struggling to find English goldens with even 40 champs. Also I have noticed that many breeders only show and title one or two of their dogs. Why is this?
 

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You could try Goldnote Goldens, north of Toronto, Canada British English Type Golden Retriever | American Retriever Puppies

or Kyon Kennels, in Ontario Canada
Golden Retriever Puppies | Ontario | Kyon Kennels

I believe there is a forum member who recently picked up his puppy from goldnotes, and he lives in the states, not sure where. And I think there are a few members with Kyon dogs as well. I don't know either breeder personally only by reputation and seeing some of their dogs.

Good luck in your search for a puppy.
 

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Hopefully some of the members in the UK will comment but it's my understanding that putting a championship on a dog in England is a more difficult process than it is in the US with the result that there are proportionately fewer English champions.
 
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Hi there from Barnaby an English golden. In general I think there are alot more rules and regulations with regard to breeding and showing. When we got Barn 12 years ago we had to sign documents saying we would NOT breed or show him. This was a shame as he is from the Cinmarsh lineage and is the grandson and son of world champions. Wherever they are from they are all perfect. Hugs to all.
 

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it is much more difficult to put a UK Show Championship on a dog than in the US. In the US the unfinished dogs (those without a championship) only have to beat other dogs who don't have championships to get points toward their championship. In the UK the dog has to also compete against the specials (the dogs with championships) this makes finishing a dog much more difficult. I am sure some of the UK folks will chime in a bit more if you need more information.

In the US if you have "English" style dogs, the way the US standard is written and applied makes it very difficult to finish those dogs in the AKC... The Canadian standard generally accepts the style a bit more depending on where you are with the East Coast of Canada being more accepting than the West. This means that for those of us in the Northern States, going to Canada to get a championship is much more doable than for those who live in the middle or southern states.

I hope this helps
 

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Hi there from Barnaby an English golden. In general I think there are alot more rules and regulations with regard to breeding and showing. When we got Barn 12 years ago we had to sign documents saying we would NOT breed or show him. This was a shame as he is from the Cinmarsh lineage and is the grandson and son of world champions. Wherever they are from they are all perfect. Hugs to all.
Reputable breeders make puppy people sign similar documents here as well. Regardless of a pedigree and what the lineage is, in any litter there are only a couple of dogs that are show quality regardless of how wonderful the pedigree is. Your breeder obviously determined that Barnaby was a dog who she considered a pet puppy for whatever reason... it doesn't mean that he is not beautiful but just that he was not a show dog for whatever reason. It is the sign of a responsible breeder.
 

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To make a dog a show champion in the UK they have to win 3 best of sex at a championship show(challenge certificate). They have to win their class and then all winners of the classes compete for the best dog/ bitch Challenge certificate. All dogs compete for the CC including dogs that are champions It is not uncommon to have several champions competing and some people try to win as many CC's as possible. Our entries have dropped recently to about 200 overall but when my dog won BOB at Crufts he beat over 500 goldens to win his first CC Annef
 

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Any clue how championships work in the rest of Europe seeing as how, the "English Cream" fad is backed by dogs from Eastern Europe as opposed to England?
 

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With regard to putting breeding restrictions on many breeders now do this as well as the restriction that the dog is not allowed to be issued with an export pedigree. This is to stop people buying puppies and then selling them on overseas. Most breeders will lift a breeding restriction if their criteria has been met, in my case a below average hip score, elbow score of 1 or less and a current eye certificate and approval of the stud dog or bitch coming to a stud dog. Hope this info helps. Annef
 

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Champion certs are much easier to win in Europe as they have a champions class which means that once a dog has won its title (CAC's)it competes in the champions class and dogs that have not won a CAC do not compete against champions Annef
 

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Believe it or not competition in Europe is more stringent than in the US. That stands for Eastern Europe and even more so as the people who actually own dogs and show dogs are more rare than in the West. There are not as many trainers therefore the money that you put in the dog is even higher then here.

Here you will see that the so called bad Eastern Europeans are involved in the European Shows.
Note that one of the judges is from Romania. The Euro dog show this year took place also in Romania.

Many people here do not realize the actual sacrifice people in Eastern Europe do make to raise those wonderful furry friends.
 
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Many people here do not realize the actual sacrifice people in Eastern Europe do make to raise those wonderful furry friends.
Which makes me wonder if they sacrifice so much then why in the world would they repeatedly allow their dogs to be shipped to the US and end up in kennels like White Dove, Cynazar & every other high volume & BYB breeder looking to cash in on the "cream" fad.
 

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There are reputable breeders in Eastern Europe, some of which are personal friends and they do care for their dogs. Like everywhere there are people who breed only for money Annef
 

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You are going to have good breeders and bad breeders everywhere. Just like on this forum we have nice people and sarcastic ones.
Frankly I am quite happy that Rose's great grandfather is from Romania. I have a copy of his Certified Export Pedigree (with roots in Germany, Russia and England) along with all the other papers and a furry baby in my house that everytime we look at her we tell ourselves that there is no way we could have found a better dog. There is such a wonderful combination of spike, stubbornness and eagerness to please in her - she is just amazing.

Also what you have to keep in mind is that sometimes they also get cheated by the breeders with nice websites etc in the US who promise the land and the moon to their beloved dog's offspring. Just like the people in the US get cheated by the same websites.

To me cream is not a fad, it is simply a color and stature preference. I personally like either the very dark golden or the very light golden. Both of which would not be accepted in the US conformation shows.
 

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There are reputable breeders in Eastern Europe, some of which are personal friends and they do care for their dogs. Like everywhere there are people who breed only for money Annef
It's just sad when there are so many bad ones capitalizing on the demand in the US for light colored pups, touting that the dogs come from "champion" lines. This is why I was curious on how easy it was to obtain a championship cause I can't imagine the good breeders repeatedly sending dogs to the likes of Cynazar & White Doves of the world nor to those BYBs looking only to produce puppies without purpose or thought behind the breedings.
 

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Sometimes it can be easy for people to be taken in by the promise of a good home, acres of land and care of the dog. People don't always tell the truth! I was horrified to find some of my breeding behind some of the worst kennels and for that reason I now only export to close friends and they have to sign to say that no puppies will ever be exported to the US. I know that reading these messages there are many lovely homes in the US where the dogs have a wonderful life but I won't take the risk of any of my dogs ending up in these commercial kennels Annef
 

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Some may have clearances abroad if they have been exported as adults, there is a database for clearances for Scandinavia but none in Europe as far as I know. In the UK every result is published so we can access all data before breeding Annef
 

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I have all the papers that came with him from Romania and I would have another of his pups any day, any time. :)
 
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AnneF - SheetsSM has been attacking my vets and my vets' specialists that my DH has used for over 30 years on all his previous goldens in a previous thread.

I have looked at silvermine kennels and at first look it seems like a nice facility with happy customers - the one with the child with leg braces brought puddles of tears, and passed all the AKC inspections completely (I do wonder why they were inspected every three years it seems - is that normal?). They do seem to have mostly imported dogs from Russia and Spain.
LOL - I might consider giving them a call!
 
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