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Well, Max's ear infection has gone from minor to MAJOR in a week. We had him into the vet's for the flu booster on Sat. & a follow-up on the ear. OMG...it's even worse than I feared. SO, they sent us home with an oral antibiotic, an anti-inflammatory, the ear flush, the otic antibiotic AND the sedative, because Max goes positively CRAZY - (I mean full-blown panic attack) whenever I try to clean/medicate his ears. Has from the very beginning, even though I've always cleaned the outer ear parts with very little problem. Even the vet couldn't manage it in the office, Max bucked & semi-growled, which is completely unlike him. He's obviously scared, and must be in pain, because that dog will let me do ANYTHING to him. Has since puppyhood - I worked very hard to make sure that if he needed grooming or treatment, people would be able to touch his mouth, feet, tail, ears, etc. (He's let me do things I would never believe an animal would allow his human to do!), but this infection is SO bad that he fights like a wild animal each evening when I need to clean or medicate his ears. The sedatives are having a 'next-to-nothing' effect. The fear & adrenaline rush are apparently so severe that their overcoming the medication, as he still fights badly enough that I've got huge BLACK bruises all over my legs & arms....and this is even with DH trying to help me hold him down. Not only that, but we had to buy a muzzle, not because he's trying to bite (he's not), but (because the vet advised) having the muzzle across their nose normally makes them more docile. NOPE. I have no idea what to do next. I put in another call for the vet, in hopes of upping the sedative dose to where it does some good. If we can't get the infection under control soon, we'll have to take him back to the vet, have him put under general anesthesia and the ear flushed. That will help, but the infection may reoccur & we'll be right back here again, and I hate to put him through that if it won't actually solve the problem.

Not to mention that financially, after already spending $200 this weekend, I can't afford to have it done right now.

The absolute worst part for me is knowing that I'm traumatizing him while trying to treat the infection. Seeing the fear in his eyes is breaking my heart and having him avoid me for hours afterward is truly awful.

Any advice on how to perform this procedure without further trauma will be greatly appreciated. Note - I need to put the cleaner/flush in his ears, squish it around as long as possible before he shakes it out and then wait 30 minutes before putting the antibiotic ointment into the ear canal, so it's actually TWO times a night we're going through this.

Help! Thank you,
Worried Mom.....
 

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Gosh, I am not sure what you can do, but I just wanted to let you know that I am sorry that you all are going through this. Is he food motivated? What if your husband gives hime a GREAT treat while you put the meds in?? I hope someone gives you some advice.
 

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I feel for you. Shadow doesn't mind my cleaning his ears if he sees that I only have a papertowel to wipe them out. If he knows meds are coming or liquid is going to be squirt in his ears, he paces around the kitchen table.

I don't know why, but I have found if I don't handle him too much and let him do his pacing and jump on the chair and hide his ears, I can approach him after he settles and tell him to "stay." It seems the more I try to force my self on him, the more resistant he becomes. Shadow has never growled at me though. He does have longer legs than I do arms, so he has been able to push me away. I sometimes get silly when this happens.

I realize your situation is more difficult.

This is a dumb suggestion, but have you tried smearing peanut butter on your fridge or some place where he can concentrate on the treat and not the treatment?
 

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I'm sorry! This is tough, but you'll get through it.

1st, contact your vet- you may need to increase the dosage of meds to get him to calm down. How long in advance are you giving it?

2nd, it is a 2 man job. One person to restrain, another person to administer treatment. Best way to hold:

One person put left arm under belly, other arm underneath the head- around the neck. Elbow should be pointing outward so that the head can't move much. Squeeze tight to your body. You won't hurt him. He may buck around and squirm, just keep your position. Usually they will relent.
 

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The only way I can trim Cody's feet/nails is by smearing pnut butter on his ribbed rubber bone or braided bully stick. Then he's in seventh heaven with his treat and I can do what's needed. Might be worth a shot.
 

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Thanks for all the support & ideas, but although he's normally very food motivated, they have zero effect. He's way too stressed to have any interest in treats, peanut butter, toys, etc.

Aaaahhhh.....still waiting for the vet to return my call about upping in sedative dosage. I followed the instructions & waited at least 30 min. between medication & attempting to approach for ear cleaning the first night. Last night, I waited an hour, until he seemed really sleepy & loopy. Nope...as soon as I approached, he was up and in panic-flight. This is so hard!
 

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Try taking him into the bathroom or laundry room so you have a smaller space for him to move away from you. It seems to help mine a little when they realize there is no where for them to run.

What kind of sedative are you using?
 

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I am sending you lots of empathy. One of my guys will buck and cry whenever a vet tech tries to express his anal sacs and I spent 30 minutes chasing my other guy across a room (a small room) so I could take his temperature. Don't worry about the guilt feelings because your dog loves you unconditionally. Besides, you are doing this to help him feel better.

I wish I could help you more.
 

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Thanks everyone....I've tried the smaller room (bathroom & blocked hallway) - I'm ashamed to admit that last night as a last resort, I even climbed into his crate with him to get the job done. It worked, but I don't ever want to put either of us through that again. Once he realized it was over, he rested his head on my shoulder and I held him on my lap while his breathing returned to normal...well, I guess while BOTH of our breathing returned to normal. I felt so bad for putting him through it, but I'm told I absolutely must get the medication in place!

STILL waiting for the vet to call back. I just don't know what else to try.

The sedative is Ace Promazine (sp?). The vet had Rx'd one or two tabs of 25 mg., as needed, which isn't doing the job. Any suggestions for this? I don't want to OD him, but geez!

Thanks!,
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Poor baby. He must be in pain. It's so hard when you are doing the right thing, but you are inadvertently traumatizing him. Neither of my goldens like having their ears cleaned, but they are resigned to it. Can you try swaddling him? In a blanket or towel?
 

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Swaddling?

I wondered about this, but was afraid to traumatize him even further. It might protect me from more bruises, but I feared that it might make him fight even harder. The 'traumatizing him' part is what's bothering me most of all!

The 'normal' cleaning of the outer & just a bit inside the ear, he's always tolerated pretty well. We've even made a bit of a game out of it, so it's not so hard on him....he'll try to steal the paper towel or tissue I'm wiping with and I'll pretend that he's getting it against my wishes. He chews a scrap or two of it up and spits it out, but this is a totally different situation. (You know, the common golden, "PAPER" game.)

He MUST be in pain to fight me the way he is and even though I'm careful as I can be not to touch the ear with the dispenser, etc., he totally freaks out. I realize that some dogs just can't tolerate having liquid put in their ears & it's pretty obvious I've got one....I just have no choice right now.

I'm so worried that I'll fail getting the medication in place and that failure will result in damage to his hearing or something. :(

Poor baby. He must be in pain. It's so hard when you are doing the right thing, but you are inadvertently traumatizing him. Neither of my goldens like having their ears cleaned, but they are resigned to it. Can you try swaddling him? In a blanket or towel?
 

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Marty had acepromazine 25mg after neutering. It TOTALLY knocked him out. Like we had to carry him out to pee. We thought he was in a comma. He would have been around 50lbs at the time.
I can only suggest having the best treat out of his reach while you do his ears. Like you get this AFTER we do thing. Bananas were great for our last golden Riley. I haven't had to use that kind of scheming (yet) on Marty.
 

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That's funny.....the first time (after the neuter) when he had the ace promazine 25 mg., it DID knock him out. We were worried about him, he couldn't even walk. We had to carry him out to pee, like you mentioned.

Now, he's taking 50 mg. and is still fighting like a wolverine! I can only assume it's the adrenaline rush from the fear! Poor baby. :uhoh: I wish I could think of something to make this easier on him. I tried all his favorite treats and I'm lucky if he even sniffs it. He'd normally walk miles for the chicken & sweet potato treat, but last night, nada!

Marty had acepromazine 25mg after neutering. It TOTALLY knocked him out. Like we had to carry him out to pee. We thought he was in a comma. He would have been around 50lbs at the time.
I can only suggest having the best treat out of his reach while you do his ears. Like you get this AFTER we do thing. Bananas were great for our last golden Riley. I haven't had to use that kind of scheming (yet) on Marty.
 

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Swaddling him might actually comfort him. A bit. I don't think he will ever like having his ears cleaned. Once his ears are better, you may want to try to start desensitizing him to the ear cleaners. I know you have worked with him, but after this, you will probably have to start at square one. Poor you and poor puppy!
 

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You're right, I'm sure he'll never "like" it, but if I can get him to tolerate it without full blown panic attacks, that, I can deal with. The vet has already told me that if we have to put him under & do the ear flush, it will be a life-long maintenance thing, that we'll have to religiously do the cleaning at least weekly. Oh, joy! BTW, the ear flush under anesthesia will be in the $400-500 range. :doh: OUCH! Any desensitizing I can do will help, I'm sure.

Thanks for the tip! I'll let you know how it goes after tonight's episode. :) Cross your fingers for me, will you?!

Swaddling him might actually comfort him. A bit. I don't think he will ever like having his ears cleaned. Once his ears are better, you may want to try to start desensitizing him to the ear cleaners. I know you have worked with him, but after this, you will probably have to start at square one. Poor you and poor puppy!
 

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Call your vet and ask for something else. I'm not a vet. But ace is completely inhumane for behavior modification type settings, such as this. It's commonly recommended for behavior problems by vets who do not have behavior experience or knowledge. It makes him even more sensitive to sounds and other things in his environment, yet it makes it very hard for him to physically respond. It is -very- typical for dogs to "get worse" and require a greater dosage when used in behavior settings. I would stop the ace ASAP and get something else, or figure out alternative ways.

Google "Tuckers Nail Trim" There is an 8 minute video that comes up about a puppy who is super bad about nail trims. Doing that same process but with ears may help....depending on how much pain he is in. ----Every--- golden owner should be training their dogs and puppies to love ear cleaning. All it takes is a bad experience...and if you don't have a super large history of ---super--- high value reinforcement...things can go downhill fast.

Think about heating up the solution before putting it in his ears.

Use high value foods, all his kibbles. Find a clicker trainer near you. Call and schedule an appointment for ASAP to learn more about handling. Or find a vet who specializes in behavior...

This is rough! We went through this in a puppy class last week with a 6 m st bernard who was VERY unhappy about ear cleaning.
 

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Can you look into a different type of ear cleaner for his ears? Honey has problems with ear infections, but she also had an allergic reaction to the foaming ear cleanser.
The vet said that she had never seen that happen before. The insides of her ears turned bright red and she ran from me if I tried to put cleaner in them. It was weeks before the readness went away. We had to treat her ear infection with an antibiotic, but did not use a wash. She has been somewhat better with other rinses, but the foaming cleanser was horrible. So can your vet recommend a different treatment plan.
 

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The one he rx'd is Epi-Otic, and as far as I can tell, it doesn't foam, but that doesn't mean that it agrees with him. I'll check on this with the vet & see if there's an alternative. It never occurred to me that the flush could be irritating.

Thanks for the tip!
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Can you look into a different type of ear cleaner for his ears? Honey has problems with ear infections, but she also had an allergic reaction to the foaming ear cleanser.
The vet said that she had never seen that happen before. The insides of her ears turned bright red and she ran from me if I tried to put cleaner in them. It was weeks before the readness went away. We had to treat her ear infection with an antibiotic, but did not use a wash. She has been somewhat better with other rinses, but the foaming cleanser was horrible. So can your vet recommend a different treatment plan.
 
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