Ronakers Novato Cain-can't believe I knew this off the top of my head, but he was in my old girl Kahli's pedigree 
http://www.k9data.com/pedigree.asp?ID=620
http://www.k9data.com/pedigree.asp?ID=620
dual champions
According to GRCA, there have only been 2 since the late 1960's. I know Funky Farquar was one, who was the other????
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thanks! believe it or not, I searched quite a bit online and couldn't come up with it.
Ronakers Novato Cain-can't believe I knew this off the top of my head, but he was in my old girl Kahli's pedigree
http://www.k9data.com/pedigree.asp?ID=620
What's exciting is that we may have a US DC golden on the horizon. Talin's Hard Act To Follow MH has won an Am and is being shown. He is in Alaska -- which, um -- is a lot easier to attain a show CH and the FTs are smaller as well. This could be our one shot in, oh, 40 years?
The fact his mother is a CH and he is in FTs is a great thing as well!
The fact his mother is a CH and he is in FTs is a great thing as well!
I'm going to keep cheering for Stoney to attain this magic status as well. He's gone straight through in a calender year from zero to WCX and one away from MH, and so is only getting started/experienced now. He is AM CH BOS/Sh plus 4 MH passes- what will happen if he runs against those labs and chessies? I think good things! Props to Pat and Paul either way for letting this show dog do the serious work he loves.
http://www.k9data.com/pedigree.asp?ID=153141
http://www.k9data.com/pedigree.asp?ID=153141
Jill are they planning on running Stoney in field trials?
A CH/MH is nothing to sneer at but it is not a "Dual Champion."
A CH/MH is nothing to sneer at but it is not a "Dual Champion."
Of course, it is a whole other sky-high level of competition from other breeds and specialized field dogs. Otherwise it wouldnt be such a rarity to achieve. . . CH/MH is wonderful in and of itself- but, yes, for sure a very different goal. Many dream, few attempt- maybe we'll get one from the USA this decade? It remains to be seen. . .
Here's the link /picture for Talin's Heart Act To Follow(Trip) MH WC ***
http://www.k9data.com/pedigree.asp?ID=175225
http://www.k9data.com/pedigree.asp?ID=175225
Ronaker's Novato Cain?According to GRCA, there have only been 2 since the late 1960's. I know Funky Farquar was one, who was the other????
Hondo (Honor's Darado of Spindrift) was a CH/AFC, I believe
(whoops, didn't see the answers)
dual champion
By chance, I think I came across the other most recent Golden dual champion, CH-AFC Ronakers Novato Cain CD OS FDHF 4/2/66 - 7/6/78.
I'm guessing the second championship was in the 70's. Do you know how to find out the date of either or both championships?
Carlynn
By chance, I think I came across the other most recent Golden dual champion, CH-AFC Ronakers Novato Cain CD OS FDHF 4/2/66 - 7/6/78.
I'm guessing the second championship was in the 70's. Do you know how to find out the date of either or both championships?
Carlynn
Okay, I have a question. Looking at CH-AFC Ronakers Novato Cain. Where would the confirmation world look at him now? He has yellow/golden eyes. He has a very dark coat. Would that get him eliminated from confirmation nowadays? Has that changed in the last 20 years? Is it not retriever against retriever in the field world? I am certainly more about performance than confirmation, but I still don't understand why a darker, golden eyed retriever can't compete and be considered for the show ring. Jim
Coat color doesn't matter, I've seen some really dark CH goldens as well as some that are almost white.
But light eyes are, in fact, incorrect.
Here's the breed standard (which hasn't been revised in 20 years)
edit.... I just went and looked at his k9data photo, and at least there, his eyes are not yellow/light. They are medium brown, which is considered acceptable.
"...Eyes -- friendly and intelligent in expression, medium large with dark, close-fitting rims, set well apart and reasonably deep in sockets. Color preferably dark brown; medium brown acceptable. Slant eyes and narrow, triangular eyes detract from correct expression and are to be faulted. No white or haw visible when looking straight ahead. Dogs showing evidence of functional abnormality of eyelids or eyelashes (such as, but not limited to, trichiasis, entropion, ectropion, or distichiasis) are to be excused from the ring...."
But light eyes are, in fact, incorrect.
Here's the breed standard (which hasn't been revised in 20 years)
edit.... I just went and looked at his k9data photo, and at least there, his eyes are not yellow/light. They are medium brown, which is considered acceptable.
"...Eyes -- friendly and intelligent in expression, medium large with dark, close-fitting rims, set well apart and reasonably deep in sockets. Color preferably dark brown; medium brown acceptable. Slant eyes and narrow, triangular eyes detract from correct expression and are to be faulted. No white or haw visible when looking straight ahead. Dogs showing evidence of functional abnormality of eyelids or eyelashes (such as, but not limited to, trichiasis, entropion, ectropion, or distichiasis) are to be excused from the ring...."
Okay, I have a question. Looking at CH-AFC Ronakers Novato Cain. Where would the confirmation world look at him now? He has yellow/golden eyes. He has a very dark coat. Would that get him eliminated from confirmation nowadays? Has that changed in the last 20 years? Is it not retriever against retriever in the field world? I am certainly more about performance than confirmation, but I still don't understand why a darker, golden eyed retriever can't compete and be considered for the show ring. Jim
What exactly makes a dog a Dual Champion?
They have to be a Conformation Champion and a Field Champion (not a master hunter, although that's no small achievement either!)
What exactly makes a dog a Dual Champion?
And not an Amateur Field Trial Champion either, only a Field Champion. I cannot imagine being able to earn two such competitive titles on the same dog! According to the GRCA website, on average, only 1 or 2 Goldens a year earn the title of Field Champion.They have to be a Conformation Champion and a Field Champion (not a master hunter, although that's no small achievement either!)
Quar was my Max's grandpa (also way back in Selka and Gunner's pedigree) and Stoney is Sasha's daddy. : )
I had never heard of the other dual champion. I will have to look him up in Nona Bauer's World of the Golden Retriever.
I had never heard of the other dual champion. I will have to look him up in Nona Bauer's World of the Golden Retriever.
They have to be a Conformation Champion and a Field Champion (not a master hunter, although that's no small achievement either!)
Ahh.... and (sorry I'm only familiar with some obedience and conformation titles) what makes the difference between MH and Field Champion? I always thought Field and Hunting were the same thing :uhoh: lol
Ahh.... and (sorry I'm only familiar with some obedience and conformation titles) what makes the difference between MH and Field Champion? I always thought Field and Hunting were the same thing :uhoh: lol
In a hunting test the dog is being scored against a standard, they are not competing directly dog against dog.
A field trial is dog against dog competition with one winner.
The work in a hunting test is usually shorter in length and less technical in nature than a Field Trial. Marks and blinds in a hunt test are usually less than 100 yards in length. A field trial on the other hand may have marks and blinds that range in length from 30 yards to 500 yards or more. In a hunt test you're trying to find out if a dog can do a difficult set of marks and bllinds. In a field trial all of the dogs can do difficult marks and blinds, you're trying to find which dog does them best that day.
When you're looking at AKC pedigrees, Titles before a dogs name are "Championship Titles" where the dog has to defeat other dogs in competition. Titles that appear after a dogs' name are "Degrees" or indications of a status earned.
Here's a link to an article which does a nice job of explaining the two:
American perspective on Gundog Field Trials and Hunt Tests
One of the main differences is that field trials are competitive, with placements earned, etc. while hunt tests are non-competitive, where the dog is evaluated against a "standard" of expectations.
American perspective on Gundog Field Trials and Hunt Tests
One of the main differences is that field trials are competitive, with placements earned, etc. while hunt tests are non-competitive, where the dog is evaluated against a "standard" of expectations.
Ahhh!! Very helpful! Thanks for explaining that.
Thanks!
I had also never heard that before, very interesting to know!When you're looking at AKC pedigrees, Titles before a dogs name are "Championship Titles" where the dog has to defeat other dogs in competition. Titles that appear after a dogs' name are "Degrees" or indications of a status earned.
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